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Before launching into this , a short word about jargon: Sorry but I’ve played with radio so long that sometimes I use interchangeable jargon. For the sake of these discussions Waltie-Talkie , HT ( Handheld Transceiver), and handheld all mean the same thing. The ones covered by this proposal fall into 5 segments:

1. PMR446 Simple without privacy codes
2. PMR446 with CTCSS and DCS Privacy codes
3. VHF Hand Helds ( Sometimes includes Marine bands)
4. UHF Hand helds ( Sometimes include PMR446 band)
5. Dual Band (UHF+VHF + often PMR446&Marine bands)

The objective of this protocol is to create maximum interoperability between the 5 classes of equipment. Item 1 is least flexible in this respect, progressing to Item 5 which is most flexible.

Below and attached are MY poposed programming protocol for ALL types. It is laid out for 100 memory channel devices, which are now very common on the best low cost HTs that we’ve identified. Some of these units have the ability to write Names on the various memories and some only show memory number and frequency.

You may wonder why the Marine Emergency and SUK emergency contact frequencies are at the end of the channel list. Its because the channel selector is continuous on most radios. So clockwise from CH1 is CH2, but anti Clockwise from CH1 is CH99. This method keeps the most heavily used channels close at hand.

A big issue for operators of the latter radios, is remembering what each of the numeric memories contains. This is a real life problem that my group has had to deal with and we have progressively developed this proposed protocol over several years. By prescribing use of channels for set purposes we can just instruct to go to the channel number and everyone shows up on the same frequency and in the correct configuration.

AT THIS STAGE OF THE PROPOSAL I AM SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THE CHANNEL ALLOCATIONS. THEY WORK FOR ME AND MY GROUP USING A MIXED BAG OF ALL OF THE HTS LISTED. IF THERE ARE ADDITIONS OR OBJECTIONS WE NEED TO SORT THEM OUT NOW BEFORE ALLOCATING FREQUENCIES AND CODES TO THE PROTOCOL.

It is my vision that once the propcols are agreed that SUK’s download section will host pre-populated code sets that can be uploaded directly into the memory of HTs like the UV5r UV3r etc, so that the programming function is almost entirely automated, and that new users will be confident that their radios are configured correctly and are completely compatible with the Survivor Radio Protocol

How the programming protocol is used on each class of HT:

1. PMR446 Un-coded: No programming possible. Just use OPERATING PROTOCOLS that will be determined later in this sequence of threads.

2. PMR 446 with codes: These should be configured so that each channel to use codes as shown in Ch 11 (=Ch1 Coded) to Ch 18 (=Ch8 Coded)

3 & 4. VHF Single band HTs and UHF single band HTs:
HTs that are UHF only or VHF only are programmed with the frequencies they are capable of on the standard channels.
Looking at the list below, A VHF only radio would be programmed only on Channels 20 , 90,91,92,93 and any of the private group channels that are assigned to VHF

5.Dual Band HT’s get programmed for the whole 100 channels.
Within block 30 to 69 , the UV5r and UV3r class of radio is capable of complex operation such as split frequency and even cross band use. This is very useful for personal identification via a radio “hand-shake” More on this later.

Proposed Protocol:
Channel Designation Comment
Ch 1 PMR Ch1 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 2 PMR Ch2 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 3 PMR Ch3 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 4 PMR Ch4 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 5 PMR Ch5 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 6 PMR Ch6 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 7 PMR Ch7 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 8 PMR Ch8 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 9
Ch 10
Ch 11 PMR CODED Ch1 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 12 PMR CODED Ch2 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 13 PMR CODED Ch3 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 14 PMR CODED Ch4 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 15 PMR CODED Ch5 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 16 PMR CODED Ch6 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 17 PMR CODED Ch7 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 18 PMR CODED Ch8 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 19
Ch 20 2M SIMPLEX Calling ( Amateur) SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 21 2M repeater 1 User define local repeaters
Ch 22 2M repeater 2 User define local repeaters
Ch 23 2M repeater 3 User define local repeaters
Ch 24 2M repeater 4 User define local repeaters
Ch 25 2M repeater 5 User define local repeaters
Ch 26 2M repeater 6 User define local repeaters
Ch 27 2M repeater 7 User define local repeaters
Ch 28 2M repeater 8 User define local repeaters
Ch 29 2M repeater 9 User define local repeaters
Ch 30 Private group Channel 1 User defined own group
Ch 31 Private group Channel 2 User defined own group
Ch 32 Private group Channel 3 User defined own group
Ch 33 Private group Channel 4 User defined own group
Ch 34 Private group Channel 5 User defined own group
Ch 35 Private group Channel 6 User defined own group
Ch 36 Private group Channel 7 User defined own group
Ch 37 Private group Channel 8 User defined own group
Ch 38 Private group Channel 9 User defined own group
Ch 39 Private group Channel 10 User defined own group
Ch 40 Private group Channel 11 User defined own group
Ch 41 Private group Channel 12 User defined own group
Ch 42 Private group Channel 13 User defined own group
Ch 43 Private group Channel 14 User defined own group
Ch 44 Private group Channel 15 User defined own group
Ch 45 Private group Channel 16 User defined own group
Ch 46 Private group Channel 17 User defined own group
Ch 47 Private group Channel 18 User defined own group
Ch 48 Private group Channel 19 User defined own group
Ch 49 Private group Channel 20 User defined own group
Ch 50 Private group Channel 21 User defined own group
Ch 51 Private group Channel 22 User defined own group
Ch 52 Private group Channel 23 User defined own group
Ch 53 Private group Channel 24 User defined own group
Ch 54 Private group Channel 25 User defined own group
Ch 55 Private group Channel 26 User defined own group
Ch 56 Private group Channel 27 User defined own group
Ch 57 Private group Channel 28 User defined own group
Ch 58 Private group Channel 29 User defined own group
Ch 59 Private group Channel 30 User defined own group
Ch 60 Private group Channel 31 User defined own group
Ch 61 Private group Channel 32 User defined own group
Ch 62 Private group Channel 33 User defined own group
Ch 63 Private group Channel 34 User defined own group
Ch 64 Private group Channel 35 User defined own group
Ch 65 Private group Channel 36 User defined own group
Ch 66 Private group Channel 37 User defined own group
Ch 67 Private group Channel 38 User defined own group
Ch 68 Private group Channel 39 User defined own group
Ch 69 Private group Channel 40 User defined own group
Ch 70 70cm Simplex Calling Amateur SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 71 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 72 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 73 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 74 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 75 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 76 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 77 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 78 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 79 70cm Amateur Repeater User define local repeaters
Ch 80 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 81 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 82 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 83 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 84 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 85 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 86 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 87 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 88 Marine FM Simplex SUK TO BE Agreed
Ch 89
Ch 90 SUK Emergency VHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 91 SUK Emergency VHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 92 SUK Emergency VHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 93 SUK Emergency VHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 94 SUK Emergency PMR Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 95 SUK Emergency UHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 96 SUK Emergency UHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 97 SUK Emergency UHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 98 SUK Emergency UHF Contact CODED SUK PROTOCOL TBA
Ch 99 Marine Emergency SIMPLEX SUK PROTOCOL
Hi LS my own take on this is only the first 8 channels would be of interest to my group as we seek absolute simplicity. I wont go into the technical and power issues Smile

Proposed Protocol:
Channel Designation Comment
Ch 1 PMR Ch1 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 2 PMR Ch2 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 3 PMR Ch3 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 4 PMR Ch4 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 5 PMR Ch5 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 6 PMR Ch6 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 7 PMR Ch7 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 8 PMR Ch8 SUK PROTOCOL
(6 November 2012, 10:04)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]Hi LS my own take on this is only the first 8 channels would be of interest to my group as we seek absolute simplicity. I wont go into the technical and power issues Smile

Proposed Protocol:
Channel Designation Comment
Ch 1 PMR Ch1 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 2 PMR Ch2 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 3 PMR Ch3 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 4 PMR Ch4 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 5 PMR Ch5 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 6 PMR Ch6 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 7 PMR Ch7 SUK PROTOCOL
Ch 8 PMR Ch8 SUK PROTOCOL

If your groups radios have CTCSS and DCS capability, the channel 11 to 18 final protocols will be worth keeping note of once I've defined them, so that you can reprogram your PMR for non-group comms with other Survivors who've adopted the standard protocol.

I'll deinately be keeping full copies of all your excellent research that is an absolute certainty,thers absolutely nothing wrong with it, i just only need the first bit Smile
(6 November 2012, 10:13)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]I'll deinately be keeping full copies of all your excellent research that is an absolute certainty,thers absolutely nothing wrong with it, i just only need the first bit Smile

Exactly right NR:

QUOTE: <<1. PMR446 Un-coded: No programming possible. Just use OPERATING PROTOCOLS that will be determined later in this sequence of threads.>>
Downloaded and saved in full and printing a copy to give AL next time the mad axeman calls in
(6 November 2012, 10:23)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]Downloaded and saved in full and printing a copy to give AL next time the mad axeman calls in

DON'T PRINT IT YET NR, its is incomplete and printing it today is a complete waset ot time, paper and ink!

Once its agreed and posted as a complete item, then will be the time to print it.

Naaa I save everything rough draft to finished item, I like to read and reread initial drafts that are unrefined and honest because i get a much better understanding of the thinking, intent and emotion behind the concept to hand. EG your article THOUGHTS ON SURVIVAL RADIO dated 6 Jan 2012 is the precurser to your reccomended equipment list, and it is part of the study docs my groups members are encouraged to read.
I love this post, but it's confusing me.

I'm not a radio tech guy. So to make it simple, could someone please PM me the name of a radio to buy, and then talk me through the protocol, or how to put it into place.

Once that's done, I'm good to go.

Think of it like a microwave. You don't need to know how it works to cook a meal. You just need to plug it in, press the button, and food is done. Same with a radio (for me at least). Just tell me which to buy, and what buttons to press. I'll get that done, and job's a good'un.
(6 November 2012, 11:03)Scythe13 Wrote: [ -> ]I love this post, but it's confusing me.

I'm not a radio tech guy. So to make it simple, could someone please PM me the name of a radio to buy, and then talk me through the protocol, or how to put it into place.

Once that's done, I'm good to go.

Think of it like a microwave. You don't need to know how it works to cook a meal. You just need to plug it in, press the button, and food is done. Same with a radio (for me at least). Just tell me which to buy, and what buttons to press. I'll get that done, and job's a good'un.

same for me please as well thanks
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