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Peak oil
23 August 2012, 10:39,
#21
RE: Peak oil
(23 August 2012, 09:18)Hrusai Wrote: i also think that space based solar is one of the best ways to go,
Space based solar is *not* viable (at this time or in the foreseeable future).
The amount of energy required to get something into orbit is vast, the payback time on a solar panel in orbit even assuming 100% transmission efficiency wouldn't justify putting it into space.

Hrusai Wrote:and by beaming it down in the form of microwaves, then transforming it back into proper electricity.
Huge microwave beams of energy from space to the surface, does anyone see an opportunity for a cock-up there?

Hrusai Wrote:of course none of this will happen largely due to greed, companies dont want to lose out,
It's not a question of greed any company that tried to go fully solar would go bust, their competition could produce the same product for less money (in the short term) using oil. No company can afford to go bust.
Solar not being picked up massively because it's still too expensive. As oil prices creep up and solar prices creep down more and more people will creep to solar, it is happening but it happens slowly.

People already complain about the green energy tax that we pay at the minute to subsidise the wind turbines, solar would be even worse. The German economy is being badly damaged by their governments energy police, it's simply more economic for a company to manufacture somewhere else.
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23 August 2012, 10:58,
#22
RE: Peak oil
space based solar is far more viable than you give it credit for, with less eyes on profit and more eyes on furthering the human race it is easily attainable, especially now that the advent of commercial space travel is beckoning, the more companies that get involved, the cheaper it shall be to launch such missions! even with the first commercial company doing its first ISS refuel it has already halved the cost of doing so, the more companies that get into this market, the cheaper it will get, and with new emerging technologies such as self assembling mini satellites that cost no more than 500$ each and can be used to assemble larger satellites it is not long before such opportunities will be exploited.

as for microwaves, as long as it is done correctly there shan't be any cock up, beam energy to a specific site with a large reciever and nothing around for a kilometre and you'll have no worries, unless people are stupid and in which case if they die, thats evolution, should pay attention to signs

and it certainly is greed, no company would wish to finance such things right now, when its much cheaper and easier to get into drilling for oil, not to mention its less established than drilling is, and as everyone knows R&D is expensive Tongue

and i think your missing the point, im not saying anyone should jump to full solar straight away, by its very nature such a large transition is bound to take time, if you notice i mentioned housing adopting sustainable clean energy first to take the pressure off, keeping oil for cars and for insdustrial purposes! thereby increasing the time that our dwindling reserves will last, but again this wont happen down to greed, what energy company would wish to be undercut and give up business? none of them, and in turn this would effect the economy which the government will dislike, they much prefer being able to tax something a small amount each year than a bigger amount once Tongue

also manufacturing techniques are changing, we could right now have millions of flexible, transparent and very low energy crystal clear oled displays, that utilise no heavy metals in their manufacture and can also be printed using a specialised printer (and yes i do know all about this technology as i have done alot of research into it whilst it was an emerging technology to present as a proposal to a multi million pound corporation) but the reason we dont have these? greed. because of its unique properties when the displays and lighting eventually go to the market they will cost thousands for a reasonable size display, to make up for the R&D involved and the fact its so new, despite the fact they could get roll to roll printing presses of the kind newspapers are printed on and churn them out like they are just paper Tongue but so much volume would devalue the technology and eat into company profits Tongue

all in all theres alot more to the ideas i express than what i type, and they are more feasible than people give them credit.
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23 August 2012, 13:43,
#23
RE: Peak oil
(23 August 2012, 10:58)Hrusai Wrote: all in all theres alot more to the ideas i express than what i type, and they are more feasible than people give them credit.
I wasn't saying these ideas were't feasible. I said they weren't financially viable (yet).
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23 August 2012, 13:53,
#24
RE: Peak oil
(23 August 2012, 13:43)Skvez Wrote:
(23 August 2012, 10:58)Hrusai Wrote: all in all theres alot more to the ideas i express than what i type, and they are more feasible than people give them credit.
I wasn't saying these ideas were't feasible. I said they weren't financially viable (yet).

fair play i must say im a bit of an idealist, but i dont think these things will happen, simply that all the technology is there and could potentially be used for this....just wish the human race would fucking grow up, earth is like a giant playground Sad
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24 August 2012, 08:53,
#25
RE: Peak oil
the trouble is modern society is based on the "i'm entitled to X" mentality and it will continue until ALL natural resourses are used up, then it will be too late to find an alternative, thats when we enter "the stone age mark2"Tongue
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2 October 2012, 19:24,
#26
RE: Peak oil
One of the biggest effects of a prolonged oil shortage, is the impact on the industrial agriculture system. Oil is used to make pesticides, run tractors, move the end-product around, move the farm employees to their place of work, etc. In addition, nitrogen-based fertilisers are made from natural gas, which will become in higher demand for fuel and power-generation when oil becomes less available.

An agriculture system (of the kind we have now) starved of oil will see its yields reduced dramatically. Expect food shortages, higher prices generally, short-term price spikes and civil unrest in less developed nations leading to instability in those nations, together with attempted mass migration.

So, in prepping terms, there are direct effects (food shortages, crises) and indirect effects (exacerbating all the other threats we prepare for (unrest, civil breakdown, conflict, etc).
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