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How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
27 July 2014, 14:44,
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How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
Hi Guys - Its been a while as I've been otherwise engaged in other activities. I'm just poking my head above the parapet for a little 'peek'.

Question - How flaky is national infrastructure? I know we know a lot aboutn resilience plans etc both nationally and county-wide. I'm personally involved in some of this.

Whenever I look at results of exercises there is ALWAYS some "lessons to be learnt" which means it didn't go according to plan

Add to that the fact the a lot of the volunteers in the resilience community are well meaning amateurs.

Add to that the fact that professionals can only hold "the thin blue line" for so long. We saw this in the city-wide riots not so long ago. We were VERY close to the army being called out I believe.

In the event of a pandemic, numbers available will fall and we all know that things will start to break down.

People will sit still for so-long in the belief that "the government will do something". But when the food runs out, the electricity goes and Laura Norder goes AWOL, the resilence structures will fall apart.

I don't know but I'm feeling distinctly 'edgy'

Allons-y
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27 July 2014, 15:11,
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RE: How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
(27 July 2014, 14:44)River Song Wrote: I don't know but I'm feeling distinctly 'edgy'

that's cos you can see there is a problem or problems, which is more than you can say for most of the population.
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
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27 July 2014, 18:40,
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RE: How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
Much of the infrastructure is maintained by a third party but they have had to meet the specifications put in place by the government and meet strict financial figures. Much of it can't be tested so they just simulate what they can.

In my experience most Disaster Recovery systems need tweaking after tests as they rarely work first time plus they make certain assumptions around resources and limits of event.

The proof is in the eating. I suspect many will go hungry.
Skean Dhude
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It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change. - Charles Darwin
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27 July 2014, 20:28,
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RE: How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
What is the specific nature of this generic term "infrastructure" you are concerned with?

electrical grid?
fuel distribution network?
flood control?
riot control?
crime control?
road network?
emergency response crews?
OR
just anything you do not have personal control over?

Do you expect all of them to collapse at the same time, cascade, or one part operate properly while another shuts down?

According to some, none of them will be adequate.
According to others, they will be sufficient.

And what will be the inspiration for the "collapse"?
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27 July 2014, 22:34,
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RE: How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
Some papers on threat assessments related to "critical infrastructure"

Critical Infrastructure (CI) is used by governments as a term to describe infrastructures, systems and assets that are essential for the society and economy. Critical Infrastructures are so vital that an incapacity or destruction of such infrastructure, system or assets would have a debilitating impact on security, national economic security, national public health or safety, or any combination of those matters. This Infrastructures, systems or assets must be improved; this paper presents the vulnerabilities and threats to Critical Infrastructure, and discusses possible solutions and recommendations regarding
this threats and vulnerabilities.

Keywords: Critical Infrastructure Protection, Threats, Vulnerability, Critical Infrastructure

http://www.sersc.org/journals/IJCA/vol1_...ers/03.pdf

http://www.anser.org/babrief_all-hazards...n-response

http://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/pdf/p...fa-313.pdf

Critical Infrastructure Protection InfoGrams
http://www.usfa.fema.gov/rss/infogram.xml
http://www.usfa.fema.gov/fireservice/emr...index.shtm
http://www.fema.gov/.../nrf_support_anne...130505.pdf

Mapping Critical Infrastructure and Key Resources...
http://www.usfa.fema.gov/pdf/efop/efo45877.pdf
http://www.training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/I...aining.htm
Critical Infrastructure Protection Training Program (CIPTP)

IS-860.B: National Infrastructure Protection Plan (NIPP ...
http://www.training.fema.gov/EMIWeb/IS/c...e=IS-860.b

Critical Infrastructure Protection Awareness Materials
http://www.usfa.fema.gov/fireservice/emr-isac/materials

73 de KE4SKY
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27 July 2014, 23:15,
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RE: How Flaky is the Infrastructure?
from a UK perspective, critical Infrastructure is taken care of by the CPNI (Centre for protection of National Infrastructure), a, well, quango really, set up in 2007.

their website cpni.gov.uk which frankly has more cow derivative than next door's field of Jerseys.

They answer to the Government's COBRA thing, and delegate down depending on what's happened to the private agency/company that controls the part that's failed.

In other words, I'm surprised nothing major hasn't fallen down yet.

especially after reading this

https://www.gov.uk/national-recovery-gui...ure-issues remembering how bad the handling of Buncefield was.
Sodomi Non Sapiens.
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