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so how do you feel now
14 November 2014, 10:47,
#11
RE: so how do you feel now
I defy anyone to come here and see just how small a typical 2 bed HA semi is.....does anyone really think this is the limit of our expectations? that we wouldn't LOVE to own our own house far from housing benefit tenants? some of us cannot afford to buy and never will..unless I win the lottery!!!
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
14 November 2014, 11:05, (This post was last modified: 14 November 2014, 11:37 by NorthernRaider.)
#12
RE: so how do you feel now
But Paul you are paying 100% of your OWN rent which is both propper and correct, thus you are no being subsidised and are paying full market share thus your housing association has the income stream coming in to allow it to build more housing.

Barney complains there's no houses available for young British couples trying to get a start in life, and he also whinges about people living in multi bedroom houses on their own being unfairly treated because they are being asked to either downsize to let the young families move up or pay fair market share. He also neatly forgets that many of these people are living off the tax payers beneficence.

But Barney forgets that it was him and his fellow socialists who not only let 4 million more people into the UK but also failed to regulate the building industry for THIRTEEN YEARS so allowing them to only build executive housing, and they allowed house prices to run out of control because of a shortage of properties because LABOUR did not build hardly any affordable housing whilst filling up those that were available with immigrants.

As of 2010 the UK thanks to LABOUR ( no one else) and LABOURS IMMIGRATION (Unemployed, unemployable, criminal your welcome to come and live here) and HOUSING POLICY ( build big exec houses because we can tax them more) we were already 2.5 million homes short and its gotten nothing but worse. Families with infants living in tiny flats in tower blocks grossly overcrowded or stuck in hostels and B & Bs because SINGLE people are occupying 3 and 4 bed ( and a few 5 bed) council houses and (A) they wont downsize and (B) don't think they should pay more than they would for a 1 bedroom flat.

Even if we went berserk and started building thousands of affordable homes on brown and greenfield sites it will take over a DECADE just to meet the housing need from 2010 never mind 2014 after the tories let even more migrants pour in. So young families with infants and toddlers trying to work and raise a family live in tiny apartments and squalid hostels because Barney and his mates don't think that the single tenants living in subsidised multi bedroom houses should move or pay market rates.

So lets look briefly at how LABOUR and the left think it should be done

A young couple meet in 94 and get married and start a family in 97 , They buy their first house together in a small ex mining village in a Labour stronghold.
First Labour scraps the MORTGAGE TAX RELIEF which hurt the young couples meagre incomes
Then Labour scraps the MARRIED PERSONS tax allowance thus again punishing this young couple at the start of their married lives
Then Labour over the following nine years allows COUNCIL tax to more than DOUBLE
Over the same period LABOUR rams up tax and fuel duty on both Petrol and diesel thus sticking the boot into the most VULNERABLE AND MOST POOR PART OF SOCIETY the RURAL WORKING CLASSES.

But wait, over this period the father has worked hard, put in extra hours and set aside some much needed funds into a small private pension for him and his wifes old age. And along comes the socialists over the following years to keep hitting these working class kids efforts by taking £5 Billion chunks of money from their private pension schemes.

But this set back does not deter our hard working family, they now decide to move fro their two bed terrace into a 3 bed semi, but wait look at the prices LABOUR ALLOWE THE MARKET TO RUN OUT OF CONTROL and ordinary houses are now unaffordable for working class kids , they look at the deals on NEW DEVELOPMENTS but dammit 99% of the new homes build are EXECUTIVE HOUSING way out of reach of the kids.

So as they have totally outgrown their terrace they apply for a COUNCIL HOUSE but they are told they are now LOW PRIORITY because (A) they already have a tiny house (B) There's only 3 kids in their family where as the majority of immigrants often have 4 or more kids PLUS both grand parents to house © All the current housing stock is full and none has been built for 13 years (D) Many tenants now living on their own wont downsize ( or pay market share).

Meanwhile over the last ten year of our couples lives the girls MUM has been widowed and her income decimated and se is struggling with the high costs of living, she can heat or eat or pay her rent OR council tax but not both. But Labour does not listen and sentences her to 60 days in prison for not paying her massively inflated council tax.
So today there's two adults and three teens living in a two bed terrace paying £1500 a year in council tax being told the kids will have to travel 60 miles to the nearest 6th form college but because both parents work THEY will have to pay £800 a year for EACH child to get a bus pass for college.

Isnt socialism wonderful

14 November 2014, 11:43,
#13
RE: so how do you feel now
the fact is theirs almost nowhere to move to ie 1/2 bed homes torys knew this , so it is a backdoor tax on the working class.

answer build more homes ,but that would mean property prices would drop , who would vote for that labour and tory both know this.

ukip will stop bedroom tax , good ol nige.
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14 November 2014, 12:02, (This post was last modified: 14 November 2014, 12:08 by Devonian.)
#14
RE: so how do you feel now
(14 November 2014, 10:47)bigpaul Wrote: I defy anyone to come here and see just how small a typical 2 bed HA semi is.....does anyone really think this is the limit of our expectations?

Funnily enough the privately owned 2 bed semi's on which people are paying mortgages etc, are EXACTLY the same size as the HA ones - strange that!

Also people in the private sector will often rent out a spare room to a complete stranger to help generate extra income to pay the mortgage, so why not also do this with Social Housing - if you have a house with a spare room, you either pay the tax, or you have to allow the HA to house someone else in the spare room.
14 November 2014, 12:38,
#15
RE: so how do you feel now
depends on the age of the property Dev, I swear my old one bed council flat in Plymouth built late 1940s(Cornish Unit) was bigger inside than my present Modern(maybe 20 years old) 2 bed House, I know the kitchen was twice as big. the 2 bed Maisonette/flat we had in Glastonbury..another 1940s...had a huge kitchen/diner and loads of storage some of it built in. I know that back in the 1940s/1950s and even 1960s you had a MINIMUM floor space requirement, these days there is no such thing, builders can build as small as they like and get away with it.
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
14 November 2014, 12:44,
#16
RE: so how do you feel now
(14 November 2014, 12:38)bigpaul Wrote: depends on the age of the property Dev, I swear my old one bed council flat in Plymouth built late 1940s(Cornish Unit) was bigger inside than my present Modern(maybe 20 years old) 2 bed House, I know the kitchen was twice as big. the 2 bed Maisonette/flat we had in Glastonbury..another 1940s...had a huge kitchen/diner and loads of storage some of it built in. I know that back in the 1940s/1950s and even 1960s you had a MINIMUM floor space requirement, these days there is no such thing, builders can build as small as they like and get away with it.

Yes but the private sector is no different, yes older houses (Council and private) are both bigger, but also newer ones are BOTH smaller - people in HA properties are not being hard done by, we also have the same size properties, not bigger than yours.
14 November 2014, 12:54,
#17
RE: so how do you feel now
(14 November 2014, 12:44)Devonian Wrote: Yes but the private sector is no different, yes older houses (Council and private) are both bigger, but also newer ones are BOTH smaller - people in HA properties are not being hard done by, we also have the same size properties, not bigger than yours.

not saying they are Dev, I'm just saying that modern properties are much smaller than the older ones, I knew there was a reason I liked older properties, you can buy one of these for about £140K, the property I would like to buy will cost me £225K-£250K for a 3 bed.
Some people that prefer to be alone arent anti-social they just have no time for drama, stupidity and false people.
14 November 2014, 13:04, (This post was last modified: 14 November 2014, 13:16 by Barneyboy.)
#18
RE: so how do you feel now
the same old crap coming from the ukiptory lot ,what a lot of bollocks you all talk smilely face
just read alas Babylon ,so im going to get more salt!!!!


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