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Guardian photo montage of gated communities
11 November 2015, 14:50,
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Guardian photo montage of gated communities
The buggers are on the rise everywhere now

http://www.theguardian.com/cities/galler...n-pictures

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11 November 2015, 17:33,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
What actually is the difference between a gated community
and a group of protected prepper homesteads?
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11 November 2015, 17:47,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
Gated communities tend not to have food growing areas, they often do have off grid or back up power, large reserves of water, food supplies, sometimes and in house GP, a on site vehicle service facility, patrolling guards and bloody big properties fitted out for LUXURY self sufficient but for a limited period. Gated communities are often a new build development of multiple homes and apartments, sometime with a complete village themes. They are living their with SECURITY and PRIVACY as their prime concerns.

A group of protected prepper homesteads are designed for individual family self sufficiency with food growing/ animal keeping space, they can be well separated from other prepper homesteads, the security comes through telephone and radio comms and a plan to offer physical support to neighbours under attack.

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11 November 2015, 17:57, (This post was last modified: 11 November 2015, 17:58 by River Song.)
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
I see the difference you note but in principle i cant see the difference.
Even the posh gated communities are groups of individual homesteads but as you say rather than each home having its own backup power etc etc they appear to be inbuilt in the design.

I cant help feeling that if a group of preppers got together they would be 'gated'. It's not just TPTB that inhabit these. There are too many of them.

Just double check that your objections/observations are based upon the fact that these folks have money.
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11 November 2015, 18:18,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
""st double check that your objections/observations are based upon the fact that these folks have money. ""

Not so mon cheri, I did think it was primarily the wealthy and those who work for them but as in some of the images and found elsewhere on the interweb we see quite poor Brazilian families gating off their tower blocks to try and keep the drug gangs from the favelas out, In Marseilles ordinary Frenchies have started adopted a SPANISH building practice of putting high wall around around homes and the properties are only accessible by large locked timber gates, In the UK as an example Anson and Hudson houses , both tower blocks have now fitted Concierge systems and electronic access systems, in Walton and Campbell Courts the four blocks of apartments and now linked by twelve foot high walls and electric acess control systems, both are COUNCIL properties. In China communities in rural peasant villages are becoming gated to keep out these growing Muslim Chinese extremists. Across this region many OAP complexes own by councils have access control, high walls and CCTV to protect the council tennents. Quite a few Uk housing associations have been persuaded to build in run down high crime areas and they build gated / access controlled mini estates within bigger estates.

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11 November 2015, 19:06,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
So ... to continue the discussion.. are gated communities bad or are they only bad if they are inhabited by the wealthy?
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11 November 2015, 19:20,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
I don't think you could get many preppers to live in such small spaces, a gated community soon becomes a prison.

It's not practical to fence off enough land to survive on, you just have to rely on being able to patrol regularly enough to keep people away or grow enough that you can afford to lose some. I imagine people will get much more protective of livestock when TSHTF, it won't just be dogs that get shot in sheep fields, and around here almost every smallholder or farmer has a few guns.
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11 November 2015, 20:06,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
Good points steve
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11 November 2015, 20:51, (This post was last modified: 11 November 2015, 20:53 by NorthernRaider.)
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
You have to look at Gated communities PRIMARILY for what they are designed for, anti crime safe areas of like minded people.

(1) Privacy and SECURITY, both rich and poor choose gated / concierge/ access controlled / patrolled developments to protect themselves from criminals, rioters, looters and terrorists.
When its the wealthy or influential types they often build in escape measures such as helicopter pads, underground passage ways, hidden garages containing specialised vehicles. ordinary folk choose secure properties to protect themselves from street gangs

As steve correctly points out they are not designed for long term sustainability, rather short to medium term safety and security.
As Geordie rob points out many urban folks prepper or otherwise either do not WANT to leave or CANNOT leave so they are forced into compromises and adaptation.

(2) When used by preppers or survivalists they are seen as modern safe havens, or forts, or redoubts, especially those in cities, IE places of safety well protected to survive major civil unrest, remember the Korean businessmen during the Rodney King riots? , They stocked up on food and supplies and sat on the roofs of their premises with rifles and shotguns, whilst huge chunks of LA burned the rioters went no where near the Korean businesses for good reason.

""So ... to continue the discussion.. are gated communities bad or are they only bad if they are inhabited by the wealthy? ""

Sublimely put RS, Generally many people assume only the mega rich live in secure property but I for example was in Thornaby on tees today in old terraced streets, the locals have put key controlled 12 ft high steel gates across the entrances to all the back allys, some have been planted with tubs of flowers and shrubs. Many councils build access controlled resident only developments.
I think everyone rich and poor would CHOOSE to live in places that are safe and secure especially in these modern days of violent home intrusions, violent street gangs etc. I think they are good in general.

Ok apparently the gated off streets and alleyways are found also in southern areas as well often paid for by community groups who also turn the allys into splendid green spaces for the residents, much better than their previous use as rat runs for criminals.

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11 November 2015, 22:06,
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RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
NR, you've started another interesting thread, perhaps we could build on it, make a useful resource for those trapped in cities. Our standard reply would be "get out of the city", but of course many people won't.

So, here's a scenario we could start with..

You live in a low rise block, say 6 floors, close to a city centre in the Midlands. There are 24 flats in your block, 4 per floor, most residents are nice people, some are old and disabled, one flat houses 2 younger unemployed men who have many short visits and you suspect they are selling something illegal, but they always say good morning to you. There is a communal garden, all grass, and a door entry system - although you still get uninvited sales callers so it's obviously not used properly, and last month there was a stoned stranger in the lobby.

The economy is in trouble, there have been riots in many cities and police stations have been torched. It's not looking good, the police are staying away from the riots, and have been conspicuously absent from your area too.

You realise that your block needs to organise. You've spoken to the other residents, and everyone except the young fellas in flat 12 are willing to come to a meeting.

Can we formulate an agenda ?
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