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Guardian photo montage of gated communities
11 November 2015, 23:23, (This post was last modified: 11 November 2015, 23:35 by NorthernRaider.)
#11
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
My reply for far to long was always "Get Out Of Dodge" which was a disgraceful cop out by me, thankfully others pulled me up about it and encouraged me to explore the possibilities of urban prepping, I'm glad they did.

Hell my weakest subject is organising others !!!! Sad

Agenda
Security 1st so
1 Try upgrading the doors to composite high security doors on the individual flats, or uprating the locks at least
2 Can the residents afford to hire a concierge even part time
3 If the main door is resident access controlled can they agree not to just press the open button without checking who is calling
4 Arrange one parcel delivery drop off point, or one resident to take parcels in.
5 Create a Neighbourhood block watch
6 Help the elderly / housebound etc to become silver surfers and get more stuff delivered rather than the residents having to venture out
7 perhaps if 6 wont work someone does communal grocery shopping and escorting vulnerable to shops or post office.
8 Consider buying off IE asking the young chaps if they know anyone who can get cheap, baccy, booze, grub, etc so you become their reliable friendly clients rather than future targets.
9 create a need / want barter board in the lobby / foyer

2 Sufficiency
Encourage folks to spend a couple of pounds a week extra on tinned and dry stuff, encouraged them to keep and reuse empty pop bottles to store say 10 litres of water each, ensure everyone has light sticks / candles IN LANTERNS, find out who has useful skills, encourage people to buy a fire extinguishers and first aid kit and flashlight.

Intel comms, the prepper at least in the block must get a PV unit and a couple of batteries to charge up so they can recharge the blocks residents mobile phones , I pads etc if the power goes of.

Food
Encourage everyone to grow stuff on their balconies, landings, windowsills, spuds in bags, tomatoes, peppers, courgettes etc.

Is the roof flat can it be accessed, can you grow crops on the roofs, set up a CB, store or catch rain water, lay out pv panels.

I could expand into the prepper creating communal cooking, one person to take block rubbish out etc, but I think I've done a little bit.

Can I add I don't consider the dudes in flat 12 as a risk, rather than as an unexploited benefit, they can possibly be asked to "Obtain" stuff in return for say, baccy, booze, hot food, car loan or other.

Sounds a bit like Coventry or Warwick, both places would benefit from being nuked Smile

Its far from easy organising others especially non preppers who very often cannot see the threats the way we perceive them, I personally doubt how effective it could be compared with the generation that cooperated to survive the blitz, most of todays people have a better understanding of welfare and social security than they do of self reliance in a crisis, I fear most Brits ( non preppers) would simply expect the state to bail them out, and would likely turn on ant well equipped well stocked prepper who tried to help them. BUT I'm not saying it cannot work or wont work but it will take very skilful persuasion to unite people whose only commonality is they live in the same block. Hell I could not even manage it with other preppers my efforts to cooperate with others did not work out with any success.

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11 November 2015, 23:35,
#12
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
@NR - Nice Post - Great Start
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11 November 2015, 23:40,
#13
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
Kin hell I always forget rule ONE for Apartment prepping in a crisis, I'm getting old.

Rule one for block dwellers when the SHTF move the Wheely bins well away from the building itself and move all cars away from the building itself, lets not give the neighbourhood pyromaniac anarchist offspring of a local labour councillor burn you out in protest. Smile

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12 November 2015, 08:46, (This post was last modified: 12 November 2015, 08:48 by Lightspeed.)
#14
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
Steve you almost exactly described our city apartment block... although the two guys in no 12 have not yet shown up thank goodness.

Number one priority is to make everyone aware that mutual security is paramaount. Admittance of unknown callers by use of the entry phone system is not acceptable. We are having this exact discussion right now.

IMHO there is no way to mobilize folk until bad things start happening.....by which time me and mine will have taken NR's advice in post #11... we'll be gone.
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12 November 2015, 20:29,
#15
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
This block must have a run-off from the roof area, this will need to be put to better use. Water can be stored on the roof but it won't run uphill, so somebody is going to have to collect it and empty it into the storage containers. I wonder if IBC containers could be pulled up the outside of the building, these have a number of advantages - they're robust and cheap, and also have a large bore outlet tap. I would suggest procuring a large bore hosepipe to fit the IBC fittings, this would allow you to douse any fires started against the block walls or inside the block. They are very heavy when full, so careful placement is important, they may have to spread around the building.

A length of drainpipe can be bolted vertically to a wall, filled with sand or suitable aggregates, used to filter the collected water.
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12 November 2015, 20:43, (This post was last modified: 12 November 2015, 20:48 by NorthernRaider.)
#16
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
What I saw on one US rooftop set up was they blocked off the bottom end of the rain water down pipe from the roof, so the pipe became a defacto reservoir, they they shoved a length of garden hose down it connected to a 12 volt water pump. The pump was powered by a small PV panel and pumped the water out of the downpipe and into an IBC.

Badly typed the above , what I saw was images and drawings of a setup on a US rooftop

I do remember one comment that if the lift pump is working much of the day it can easily fill two IBCs , though there were no other comments to confirm it.

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Another set up had an intercept diverter thingy cut into the down pipe which redirected the roof water through the window and into water containers stood in the shower cubicle, any excess simply overflowed the water containers and went down the plughole.

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15 November 2015, 01:12,
#17
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
Gated community - isn't that just a miniature version of a 'country'?
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15 November 2015, 10:45,
#18
RE: Guardian photo montage of gated communities
Naaa its just a return to ancient practices, communities surrounded by palisades or walls to keep picts, scots, vikings, normans, Saxons and Chavs out of your allotment and hovel. Its actually a return to normal practice, originally secure communities were built to keep out wolves, bears, lynx etc from the communities cattle pens, then to keep out thieving nomadic tribes, then foreign thieving pillaging types, to todays chavs, scrotes, losers and terrorists.

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