Post Paris attack thoughts?

[NorthernRaider]

Post Paris attack thoughts?
Some points the BBC made this morning it got me thinking, such as
(1) The French have foiled MULTIPLE other attacks since Charlie Hebdo
(2) The UK have foiled 7 attacks this year
SOONER or LATER the peace loving tolerent Muslim community will suceed in the UK so consider this
(A) Every french cop, gendarme, state police officer and other enforcment officers are armed, and their average response to a crime is about 7 minutes, so they can have an armed cop on a scene within roughly 7 minutes in a city and perhaps 15 to 20 in a rural area.
(B) FEW UK cops are armed and the average ARMED response time often is 15 minutes plus in a big city OFTEN AFTER being summonsed by other unarmed cops who have to attend first. In rural areas ARMED responses can be up to 45 minutes though I do remember a case in North Yorks where the armed officers were all up the DALES when an incident occured near Whitby and it took then nearlt 1.30 hours to arive.
BUT NOTE if the attackers are in a theatre or hall or other venue there is little that even armed cops can do until their seige busting teams arrive.
How much damage could those same 8 attackers achieve in a UK city where the armed cops could take the best part of an hour to attend with trained armed officers IN NUMBERS. Dont forget most UK forces outside London only field two possible three ARVs at any given time when EVERY French cop is armed and trained. Those same attackers operating in the UK could have slaughtered very many more people before a UK police response happened.
! We may if involved have to survive with police or medical support for quite a long time.
NEXT
Did you see the incident of blind panicked stampeding by hundreds of Parisians and journalists on Sky when some dickhead set of fire crackers, They not only trampled the memorial in an effort to flee, but they knocked other people over in their blind panic and trampled them as they sought to get away from the attack. many fled into the nearest bar and hid behind tables. ( If the incident had been real the terrs would have a nice densely packed cornered target to attack at liesure)
Imagine that blind terror stricken hysteria kicking off in a crowded shop, train station, concert hall, sports stadium it would be quite likely many people would die without a shot being fired.
In a city with hightend tensions and higher levels of fear you have to be far more situationally aware and ensure you dont accidentally end up in the middle of a large crowd of people cos if something happens people will be crushed in a stampede, just as happened in that nightclub in Romania recently.
It may be unwelcome or inconvenient but if you live in or access urban facilities you really need to start looking at any and all options to avoid or mitigate you becoming a victm of the religion of peace.

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I see the inevitable hysteria knee jerk reactions in the media to arm all the police, increase the numbers of police etc, but consider this.

Demands to arm more British cops is pointless, as seen in Beslan school, Moscow theatre and Paris hall this weekend.
Even the armed French police could do NOTHING whilst they were locked out of the venue and the terrs were locked inside with the victims.
More armed cops will not STOP an attack, the police ALWAYS need time to respond, from the first 999 call to cops arriving takes at least 10 minutes and up to 45 minutes in rural areas.
It is of little comfort know that when victims only have SECONDS to live that the police are only MINUTES away.
Only the citizens themselves if legally allowed to carry a weapon for self defence could stop the slaughter.

[BeardyMan]

Remember the mad cow disease outbreak? A few cows caused this horrible disease and huge swathes of them were culled for the greater good...

I think we're missing a trick here...

[CharlesHarris]

Excellent after-action report by a well respected, retired US intelligence analyst, writing in the New York Observer

http://observer.com/2015/11/jihadists-at...horrified/

Some of the highlights:

While Al-Qa’ida was calling for Mumbai-style attacks on Europe five years ago, in a break from their usual pattern of preferring “big weddings” like 9/11 when they strike out at the West, no such attacks actually happened (though, to be fair, several complex mass-casualty attacks have been averted, notably in New York in 2009). And now it has happened.

Pinning down who exactly executed this outrage will take time...

That said, there’s no doubt that jihadists were behind this attack, given the modus operandi and reported shouts of “Allahu akbar” (God is great) and similar Islamist taunts by the murderers...

Whether ISIS is really behind the Paris atrocity, as appears likely, will take time to determine with precision...

Regardless, recent comments by President Obama that his highly diffident war against ISIS is going well, and the Islamic State has been “contained,” now seem woefully wrong.

Based on recent jihadist attacks in France, it’s also likely that the murderers were a mix of self-starters and trained killers...

In real life, unlike the movies, intelligence is never perfect...

Caution regarding hasty assessment is therefore in order...

Friday night Paris witnessed its first curfew since the Second World War, some 1,500 troops have been deployed in the streets of the capital, while borders are going up again in France and all across Europe in response to the latest horror in the City of Lights...

The impact of these attacks on the European Union is likely to be deep and long-lasting...

The Schengen Agreement, which gave the EU open borders, was already ailing under the impact of vast numbers of refugees surging into Europe from Asia and Africa. The Paris attacks may functionally end Schengen altogether...

In response to the Paris attacks, Poland has signaled it plans to reject the migrant quota the EU had given Warsaw, and it would be naïve to expect Poland to be the last to do so, given how unhappy many Eastern European states were with the quota arrangement already...

Despite strict laws in France regarding guns, terrorists have no trouble getting AK-47s...

Even if all such weapons and explosives could be stopped from entering the EU tomorrow, there remains the problem that Europe has so many would-be jihadists already. The number of “watchable” suspects, meaning potential terrorists who need monitoring by the security services, in France alone exceeds 5,000, according to Paris...

The the stark reality is that there is no intelligence or law enforcement fix to the threat that Europe now faces from the global jihad...

France has very competent security services, among the best in Europe at countering terrorism, but the number of potential jihadists is now so vast that no intelligence agency can reliably track and deter them all... suspects on watch-lists go missing. In real life, unlike the movies, intelligence is never perfect.

Unless Paris is willing to contemplate harsher measures, such as the internment of potential jihadists, known Islamist radicals, we should expect more attacks. There is democratic precedent for this. In October 1970, Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, a liberal icon, declared martial law, deployed the army in the streets, and rounded up nearly 500 extremists, thereby crushing the nascent terror threat in Quebec. Bleeding hearts objected but Trudeau’s famous response, “go on and bleed,” was telling—and he won.

If Hollande has the gumption to do something similar, France can still turn the tide against the jihadists and save many lives. “We know who they are, we usually know where they are,” explained a French counterterrorism official, an old friend, to me in the hours after the Paris attacks: “But will Paris let the gloves come off now? I don’t know.”

In truth, no experts in European jihadism were surprised by this latest atrocity. Given French and EU realities, it was only a matter of time. No experts will be surprised by the next jihadist attack in Europe either. Whether that happens is now up to the Europeans, with France in the lead. Although President Obama can help by doing something more meaningful than sending James Taylor to Paris to sing. Calling the enemy what it actually is would be a start. The fate of a continent is at stake.

[Steve]

Whatever actions France takes will make little difference, they will be trimming the claws of a big cat. The claws will grow back, unless we kill the cat, but that's not going to happen because we are so reliant on and indebted to the middle eastern oil producers - the wahabbists who fund terrorism.

Our rulers consider your life insignificant in "the big picture".

[NorthernRaider]

And another first class very informative post Sir, its appreciated a lot of the better news feeds I used to use to find non domestic reports now charge subscriptions and I'm to tight to pay

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Steve its not just the Wahabs funding Islamic extremism, Iran, Syria, Libya etc and countless permutations of Sunni, Shiite etc have all had a hand in it.

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We should frack like mad, go for shale and nuclear and tell the middle east to shove their crude where the sun doesn't shine, Cept the Israelis who are rumoured to have found some huge oil and gas deposits deep under their turf.

[CharlesHarris]

If these condensed, filtered and forwarded cross-postings are helpful, I will continue to seek out the best of them which are of global and less US-centric interest. Many of the better sources will let you read ten articles monthly without hitting the so-called "pay wall." I am too tight to pay also, but have bookmarked enough sources that my shoot & scoot approach seems to work most of the time.

A good backgrounder on the so-called "mastermind" of the Paris attacks:

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2...aganda.php

European officials have identified Abdelhamid Abaaoud, a Belgian man whose parents are from Morocco, as a key suspect in last week’s coordinated terrorist attacks in Paris...

French authorities say Abaaoud is “the presumed mastermind” of the coordinated assault...

The Islamic State interviewed Abaaoud in Dabiq 7, ...its English-language magazine, which was released in February 2015... Dabiq described Abaaoud as “a mujahid being pursued by Western Intelligence agencies for his jihad in Belgium...”

In the Dabiq 7 interview, Abaaoud admitted that he and two accomplices...traveled to Europe “in order to terrorize the crusaders waging war against the Muslims.” He said Belgium was a target as the country “is a member of the crusader coalition attacking the Muslims of Iraq and Shām [Syria]...”

After some difficulties in traveling to Belgium, the three jihadists “were then able to obtain weapons and set up a safe house while we planned to carry out operations against the crusaders,” he claimed...

Abaaoud’s involvement with the Verviers cell and an attack by an Islamic State fighter at a Jewish museum in Belgium in May 2014 belie the common narrative that the Islamic State’s deadly suicide assault in Paris, which left more than 120 people dead, was a radical departure in strategy...

Over the past year, European intelligence officials have explained that several Islamic State plots were thwarted. In September 2015, Prime Minister David Cameron said that Reyaad Khan and Junaid Hussain, two British nationals who were killed in airstrikes in Syria in August, were plotting attacks against the West.

According to Cameron, Khan and Hussain “were British nationals based in Syria who were involved in actively recruiting [Islamic State] sympathizers and seeking to orchestrate specific and barbaric attacks against the West, including directing a number of planned terrorist attacks right here in Britain...”

“We should be under no illusion,” Cameron continued. “Their intention was the murder of British citizens...”

The top leaders of the Islamic State have issued direct threats against the West, including the US. In his very first recorded speech, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the head of the Islamic State, threatened America...

Abu Muhammad al Adnani, the spokesman for the Islamic State, threatened to strike the US and the “allies of America...” after the US launched its air campaign in Iraq and Syria...

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Bill Roggio is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and the Editor of The Long War Journal. Thomas Joscelyn is a Senior Fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and the Senior Editor for The Long War Journal.

[Sunna]

I was delivering in china town London today and a chopper flew over and hovered for a bit.
everybody stoped and looked around at each other , you could see the fear in their faces.