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Munich Terror Attack 22 July
26 July 2016, 19:23,
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RE: Munich Terror Attack 22 July
Devonian, I said 'Drivel' you should have gone to specsavers lol
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Harry
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26 July 2016, 23:37,
#22
RE: Munich Terror Attack 22 July
Really HP.....

(25 July 2016, 18:04)harrypalmer Wrote: "socialist dribble!" Dribble is to do with the falling of rain drops...
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27 July 2016, 15:22,
#23
RE: Munich Terror Attack 22 July
Is Europe Helpless?
A civilization that believes in nothing will ultimately submit to anything.
http://www.wsj.com/article_email/is-euro...NjcyNzY4Wj

By BRET STEPHENS
July 25, 2016 7:18 p.m. ET

At last count, members of the European Union spent more than $200 billion a year on defense, fielded more than 2,000 jet fighters and 500 naval ships, and employed some 1.4 million military personnel. More than a million police officers also walk Europe’s streets. Yet in the face of an Islamist menace the Continent seems helpless. Is it?

Was France helpless in May 1940?

Let’s stipulate that a van barreling down a seaside promenade isn’t a Panzer division, and that a few thousand ISIS fighters scattered from Mosul to Marseilles aren’t another Wehrmacht. But as in France in 1940, Europe today displays the same combination of doctrinal rigidity and loss of will that allowed an Allied army of 144 divisions to be routed by the Germans in six weeks. The Maginot Line of “European values” won’t prevail over people who recognize none of those values.

Then there is Germany, site of three terror attacks in a week. It seems almost like a past epoch that Germans welcomed a million Middle Eastern migrants in an ecstasy of moral self-congratulation, led by Angela Merkel’s chant of “We can do it!” Last summer’s slogan now sounds as dated and hollow as Barack Obama’s “Yes we can!”

Now Germany will have to confront a terror threat that will make the Baader-Meinhof gang of the 1970s seem trivial. The German state is stronger and smarter than the French one, but it also surrenders more easily to moral intimidation. The idea of national self-preservation at all costs will always be debatable in a country seeking to expiate an inexpiatable sin.

Thus the question of whether Europe is helpless. At its 1980s peak, under François Mitterrand and Helmut Kohl, the European project combined German economic strength and French confidence in power politics. Today, it mixes French political weakness with German moral solipsism. This is a formula for rapid civilizational decline, however many economic or military resources the EU may have at its disposal.

Can the decline be stopped? Yes, but that would require a great unlearning of the political mythologies on which modern Europe was built.

Among those mythologies: that the European Union is the result of a postwar moral commitment to peace; that Christianity is of merely historical importance to European identity; that there’s no such thing as a military solution; that one’s country isn’t worth fighting for; that honor is atavistic and tolerance is the supreme value. People who believe in nothing, including themselves, will ultimately submit to anything.

The alternative is a recognition that Europe’s long peace depended on the presence of American military power, and that the retreat of that power will require Europeans to defend themselves. Europe will also have to figure out how to apply power not symbolically, as it now does, but strategically, in pursuit of difficult objectives. That could start with the destruction of ISIS in Libya.

More important, Europeans will have to learn that powerlessness can be as corrupting as power—and much more dangerous. The storm of terror that is descending on Europe will not end in some new politics of inclusion, community outreach, more foreign aid or one of Mrs. Merkel’s diplomatic Rube Goldbergs. It will end in rivers of blood. Theirs or yours?

In all this, the best guide to how Europe can find its way to safety is the country it has spent the best part of the last 50 years lecturing and vilifying: Israel. For now, it’s the only country in the West that refuses to risk the safety of its citizens on someone else’s notion of human rights or altar of peace.

Europeans will no doubt look to Israel for tactical tips in the battle against terrorism—crowd management techniques and so on—but what they really need to learn from the Jewish state is the moral lesson. Namely, that identity can be a great preserver of liberty, and that free societies cannot survive through progressive accommodations to barbarians.

Write bstephens@wsj.com

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27 July 2016, 21:01,
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RE: Munich Terror Attack 22 July
Some European nations may well look to Israel for some techniques, many of which were taught by UK special forces (and to American forces) from what we, the UK learned fighting the IRA.
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Harry
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28 July 2016, 17:53,
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RE: Munich Terror Attack 22 July
Looks like they are starting to get more serious in Germany:

http://www.dw.com/en/after-munich-politi...a-19424326

In remarks published in the "Welt am Sonntag" newspaper Sunday, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann advocated for the army to be allowed to deploy within Germany to support the police in case of a terror attack. Germany's constitution, drawn up in the aftermath of World War II, places strict limits on the use of the military, the Bundeswehr, within the country's borders. Those regulations were now obsolete, Herrmann said.

"We have an absolutely stable democracy in our country," he said. "It would be completely incomprehensible… if we had a terrorist situation like Brussels in Frankfurt, Stuttgart or Munich and we were not permitted to call in the well-trained forces of the Bundeswehr, even though they stand ready." In most European countries that was the case without question, he said... Politicians are also looking into whether controls on weapons, which are already strict in Germany, need to be further strengthened.

Germany deliberates anti-terror response

Following multiple terror strikes across Germany, Bavarian authorities plan to boost the police force and use the army to help secure borders. Soldiers, however, warn that the Bundeswehr is no "auxiliary police..."

...vice chair of Germany's army union, Andreas Steinmetz, said that using the Bundeswehr within Germany's borders should remain an exception... he told the German newspaper Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung. "The army is no auxiliary police."

The Bundeswehr would act only in a major emergency that could not be managed any other way, he said...

The state premier of Germany's most populous state of North Rhine-Westphalia, Hannelore Kraft, said that the authorities would change their security policies after the terror strikes. At the same time, she rejected the idea of using the army to do provide security within Germany's borders.

"I don't know how the Bundeswehr could help in the cases such as Munich or Ansbach," Kraft told the Neue Westfälische paper. She also spoke out against putting all refugees or all Muslims under blanket suspicion...

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