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Kick starting the World.
16 February 2021, 00:15,
#11
RE: Kick starting the World.
As far as growing crops go I know Jack, yes I could pop in a few potatoes or the odd veg but I would struggle with large scale production. On the other hand there is going to be a lot of spare fields left but large scale crop production is a major failing for me.
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16 February 2021, 09:39,
#12
RE: Kick starting the World.
forget large scale crop production Joe, without fuel we wont be ploughing acres and acres, think more allotment type situation, growing and producing enough for you and yours, thats probably as much as we can hope for for a few years after TSHTF.
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16 February 2021, 14:24,
#13
RE: Kick starting the World.
there is a piece on the SUK files site about Subsistence Growing under farming and Gardening, but given previous replies I doubt you'll bother to read it.
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25 May 2021, 14:28,
#14
RE: Kick starting the World.
(14 February 2021, 22:22)Joe Wrote: Now imagine the scenario, the zombies have ate 99% of the population and have now died off but now we need to get things back online.
What do we need ?
I have looked at this scenario a lot and it tends to boil down to food production, water supply/sewage, power and comms.
So ideally we would be looking at a small town/village in the country side which has a stream for water and nearby fields. I would expect some of the fields to be recovering naturally and hopefully seeds could be replanted.
That leaves power.
So I have looked at the possibility of bringing windfarms back online, If we could realign the windturbines into the prevailing wind then we would be supplying power to the grid but since the grid is now probably down we would need to open breakers on the 11kv lines in order to keep the power to the local town/village. After that hey presto we should have power as long as the wind keeps blowing.
What else would you add if your the Mayor of New Town ?

Hello, I'm new. I am a fully qualified straw-chewing country bumpkin in the South UK.
So seed ... It is best practice to harvest a seed crop annually as the yield will reduce with the age of the seed. Two year old seeds, for instance, may only have a 50 - 80% chance of germinating and that is with a big spoon of good luck.

If 99% of the population are dead from zombie (not nuke) then there will be many safe vehicles around and unused and the fuel can be siphoned, at least in the short term. It is easy to reconfigure a car motor into a generator. Wink A stream would easily provide enough power for lights and refrigeration. Food can also be preserved by: salting, smoking, fermenting, canning, bottling in alcohol and the like. You guys are awesome and already know this stuff.

For long-term your main battle will be food production and processing.

It takes time to turn animal manure into compost (not rabbit, that can be used without rotting - sheep and goat too i think but am not 100% sure, best check) and modern fertiliser (mostly derived from petro-chemical industry these days) will no longer be available after stocks are used up as there will be no refineries running. Plagues of bugs could be a problem too when the pesticides run out. Crop failure would become increasingly likely. The preservation of extra crops would be vital.
It takes (with optimal conditions and no failures) at lease one acre of land to provide one person with sustenance level food quantity when farmed holistically. Thankfully with 99% of folks having been zombie nibbles, we would have plenty of land to farm and no irate farmers shouting 'gerrof my land!' Kaboom!

There would eventually be fuel shortage too and then we would be back to the 'olden days' of horse and bullocks ploughing.
Training animals to plough takes time and skill and they need correct harnessing. I don't know how many leather workers we have on here that can make collars and surcingles? I have ploughed and chain-harrowed using Shires, Clydesdales, Percheron and bad-tempered Suffolk Punches. I don't recommend the Suffolk's but they are so rare now you'd be hard pressed to even find one.
As animal husbandry will be necessary more land will have to be farmed to provide grains (chickens, quails, milling), pasture (needs maintenance), hay, bedding straw (usually barley stems) - the land is no problem but the hard work and knowhow to keep it productive is becoming scare.
It may be best not to ask 16 year old Nobby who is glued to a mobile gadget how food is produced; likely reply is: you order it online, innit?
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25 May 2021, 14:41,
#15
RE: Kick starting the World.
as usual, people over estimate how much land is needed to grow food, we see it all the time on property shows "I want one acre/ two acres so that I can have a veg plot" not knowing what acreage looks like, totally insane.
as for ploughing with horses how many draught animals are there about these days? very few aparrt from the odd ploughing match its all tractors.
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25 May 2021, 15:42,
#16
RE: Kick starting the World.
(25 May 2021, 14:41)bigpaul Wrote: as usual, people over estimate how much land is needed to grow food, we see it all the time on property shows "I want one acre/ two acres so that I can have a veg plot" not knowing what acreage looks like, totally insane.
as for ploughing with horses how many draught animals are there about these days? very few aparrt from the odd ploughing match its all tractors.

Well we have a centre near me which specialises in heavies, plus a Percheron breeder and many folks who still compete in ploughing matches (and breed their own horses) - that's where we got the Clyde's.
Barring that, any cob cross or carriage horse will do the work - depending on the soil and how far gone it is. One just has to be realistic. A Shire horse bought as a pet (I know of several) can live up to twenty years of age, but one who has to work will only live between six to ten years on average. This is why a solid understanding of animal husbandry, confirmation, breeds and training might (might) be useful in the long ahead future.
My best to you, friend.
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25 May 2021, 16:57,
#17
RE: Kick starting the World.
That’s the reason I keep banging on about my garden and poly tunnels .....it’s the ONLY way you are going to really survive long term .
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25 May 2021, 19:00,
#18
RE: Kick starting the World.
We have a nice sturdy all-rounder horse who could easily plough or carry. But, most people have no idea of what size plot is required to grow food, or even sadder, what to grow. Over the years I have had plenty of time to get it right, and we now grow a lot of what we eat. I could and would ramp it up a bit if need be, but I see no point in growing more than we need at the moment.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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25 May 2021, 23:18,
#19
RE: Kick starting the World.
(25 May 2021, 19:00)MaryN Wrote: We have a nice sturdy all-rounder horse who could easily plough or carry. But, most people have no idea of what size plot is required to grow food, or even sadder, what to grow. Over the years I have had plenty of time to get it right, and we now grow a lot of what we eat. I could and would ramp it up a bit if need be, but I see no point in growing more than we need at the moment.

Could you ever foresee a time when hungry folks bank on your door. Giving away extra food may placate them after all there are only so many things that can be loaded.

Also 'careless picnickers' are credited with seeding edible food in many unexpected areas. I may have made a comment on a garden thread but am certainly not suggesting anything, if you understand m meaning.
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26 May 2021, 13:23,
#20
RE: Kick starting the World.
"hungry folk" will be dead folk pretty quickly, even quicker if they dont have access to clean water.
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