As usual, I'm confused.
How did they exist beyond a few generations? Something must have changed, or, they stopped teaching their children.
I don't get how they could survive long enough to reproduce and become 'a species' if they couldn't survive.
There must have been something that caused they to die. You don't exist for many years and then suddenly have no skills!
they simply died off as they interbread,
no more neanderthal cos the new hybrid was better.
they stopped breading only with themselves. be it through forced rape. or mutual consent.
any that didnt interbread just simply dwindled untill they didnt exist no more. or bread with one of the hybrids.
(7 March 2013, 11:51)Luci_ferson Wrote: [ -> ]they simply died off as they interbread,
no more neanderthal cos the new hybrid was better.
they stopped breading only with themselves. be it through forced rape. or mutual consent.
any that didnt interbread just simply dwindled untill they didnt exist no more. or bread with one of the hybrids.
The article says they died off because they couldn't adapt to hunting small game, but that doesn't make sense. Throw a rock to kill a deer, throw a rock to kill a rabbit. Same system/technique. There must have been more than that. A whole species can't vanish through interbreeding. If they're a social animal, which evidence suggests, then breeding with another species is unlikely....but not impossible.
Something in this article doesn't make sense. I reckon that something is probably the logical element of it.
my theory is better. lol
my theory explains where they went. instead of just saying they grew stuopider and forgot how to throw a rock.
(7 March 2013, 11:48)Scythe13 Wrote: [ -> ]As usual, I'm confused.
How did they exist beyond a few generations? Something must have changed, or, they stopped teaching their children.
I don't get how they could survive long enough to reproduce and become 'a species' if they couldn't survive.
There must have been something that caused they to die. You don't exist for many years and then suddenly have no skills!
The hunting strategies of Neanderthal
viz Homo Sapiens slightly differed in their approaches. Archaeological finds (flint tools and bone) have shown the Neanderthals to have specialised in the hunting of big game animals. Neanderthal remains have shown the lifestyle of the Males to have been very harsh, with injuries common to them all. The injuries found are very similar to those experienced by modern day rodeo riders, with broken long bones and clavicles very common. The evidence suggests the Neanderthals were getting close enough to their prey animals to thrust with their spears into vital areas to kill them. The Neanderthals did not posses the spear thrower (atlatl) so had to close with the animals to be effective, this made for a short physically demanding lfe for the average Neanderthal Male. There is evidence though for the long term care of the elderly within Neanderthal communities as skeletons have been found of people who had injuries and could not care for themselves, so had to be looked after. A Neanderthal in good physical shape was a formidable person, able to get close up and dirty, and take a few hits on the way in. They had a good set of flint tools perfectly adapted to their way of life, and they had evolved physically to be adapted to the harsh Ice Age climate.
Comparing flint technology between Neanderthal and Homo Sapien it is clear that we possesed and used a wider variety of tools, this is because we used a more diverse food gathering strategy, not relient on the ability to hunt and kill large game for our main food. When the game failed we had other options for food gathering, whereas the Neanderthal had all their eggs in one basket so to speak. All it took was a little advantage in food gathering ability to tip the scales in favour of ourselves, slowly year by year we outbred and out competed the Neanderthals and drove them to extinction.
Thanks TH
As usual, you're the go-to-guy for ancient history.
I assume then, that the Neanderthals didn't have much of a gatherer following? Reason being, hunting rabbits isn't hard, even for neanderthals. However, if you did eat just rabbit, that would cause you to die of malnutrition. Would that have played a factor? Maybe I'm just too shocked to believe anything is too dumb to throw a rock at a rabbit.
science states that early man only left the trees because he had adapted to eat grasses.
neandertal still had those grass munching teath, surely it would have substituted its diet mainly with veges, since it did also eat veges and not just meat.
lack of meat dont lead to extinction. otherwise vegetarians would have died out years ago.
just curious.
some hindus still eat no meat or fish whatsoever, and quite a few others
and then its back to the question of where is the missing link between cromagnon and us .
(7 March 2013, 12:43)Luci_ferson Wrote: [ -> ]science states that early man only left the trees because he had adapted to eat grasses.
Do you have a reference for this?
(7 March 2013, 12:49)Scythe13 Wrote: [ -> ] (7 March 2013, 12:43)Luci_ferson Wrote: [ -> ]science states that early man only left the trees because he had adapted to eat grasses.
Do you have a reference for this?
yep one it was a documentary on the history of man with that weird bloke that does starts and allsorts recently.
il try find it for you
the eden channel is great lol. shame they dont have a catchup service.
the mans name is prof. brian coxs. still looking for the program
this isnt the documentary but this is something else by the bbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life...man1.shtml
it states the same thing
cant find the documentary , sorry. but its on eden so its bound to be repeated they always are.
but remember even if hes a proffessor even his is only theory too.
although it sounds pretty much right.
(7 March 2013, 12:36)Scythe13 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks TH
As usual, you're the go-to-guy for ancient history.
I assume then, that the Neanderthals didn't have much of a gatherer following? Reason being, hunting rabbits isn't hard, even for neanderthals. However, if you did eat just rabbit, that would cause you to die of malnutrition. Would that have played a factor? Maybe I'm just too shocked to believe anything is too dumb to throw a rock at a rabbit.
Evidence found in sites shows that Neanderthal used foraging techniques just as well as ourselves, and was quite capable of taking any animal, BUT the Neanderthal body required a lot of calories to keep it in good shape, and while they could get by on small game they could not live off it for extended periods of time without losing condition, they had to kill large game to thrive. Our leaner more
gracile frame can get by on slightly less calories, opening up a wider range of foods to survive on. We as a species were simply more adaptable to our environment and more varied in the way we used it.