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RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - NorthernRaider - 21 October 2012
(21 October 2012, 09:31)bigpaul Wrote: NO, i do not live in fear, i live in anticipation!!
I live in County Durham !!!
(21 October 2012, 07:54)Tigs Wrote: am i scare? nope i prep , also in an ex para with 20 years service and a full FAC :and have just started loading my own ammo up to the legal limits of course P
FAC = Failed Army Cadet
(21 October 2012, 10:00)Tigs Wrote: *locks NR in a dog kennel!!*
. you know i forgot about NR he really does scare me sometimes
Only two things fall out of the sky, bird shit and paras
(21 October 2012, 07:54)Tigs Wrote: :and have just started loading my own ammo up to the legal limits of course P
Yes his wife let him have a whole new box of BBs for his buzz Lightyear phaser
What does it say on the muzzle of Paras rifles, HOLD OTHER END
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - Straight Shooter - 21 October 2012
when i started work in 1968, the first site i worked on ... a refurb of kitchen and bathroom in a street , they were 3 storeys, the lower being a cellar which was used for coal, there were 25 houses.... as we had to go from lead to copper we had to have access to the cellar to make off the joint. all went to plan till no 21 an old lady prob 64ish ...as we worked away (plenty of tea ) i noticed the kellogs cornflakes box was odd looking ..... i was a kid hendrix ruled my life, did not get it staight away.....she was a lovely person ....until "we have to go into the cellar to do the pipe" NO was the reply nobody is allowed down there!....after about 8 days of asking it was still NO , the boss was wekk f.cked off , and broke in when she was out ( we will only be an hour tops he said) to our amazement ( all 3 of us) her father dug out the complete footprint of the cellar ( 15 tons ) a level timber floor made from railway sleepers studded timber walls on all 4 sides (sleepers)... shelved out on 4 sides and 3 free standing racked shelves all floor to ceiling partly stocked with tins of corned beef,peaches,egg powder,honey,colemans mustard tins and cornflakes and a well stocked tool section , vented air intake in the bottom to a outlet by the pavement ( the only one in the street ) all the boss could say was" bastard hoarders" we used to report them in the war....... the plumber told her that the boss broke in and we had to carry out the work.... she was pissed off big time but understood , she told us over a cuppa her father had see all the signes of what was to come, and prepped for 3 years for her and her mother....... he died at caen france . so what we can all take comfort from this true story is its ok to be scared but have the vision to prepp.....its not NEW . she was sworn to never reveal the cellar EVER and access was to be only undercover of darkness .......the door inside the cellar was gap only to a body through hidden by a 3 shovel timber rack
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - Sichr20 - 22 October 2012
Wow that's quite a story, it goes to show that people have been doing this for decades. Yet there are still people wandering around oblivious to what's right in front of them, I know being a recent convert myself lol. The problem is there is so much secrecy involved in prepping that nobody can put a number on it. It would be good after an event to see thousands of individuals or groups are still going to be around, and be thriving even. With regards to the original question, the only thing that I possibly fear is my family being caught out. My dad and brother both work all over the south east, whereas I'm only a 15 min bike ride from home...
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - Metroyeti - 22 October 2012
Dont think you have to be "crazy" to prep. We rely on the shops being open 24/7 and running out of microwave meals is the norm in our society.
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - Prepper1 - 22 October 2012
Yes but what about the bosses reaction "bloody hoarders"...
that's why we shouldn't tell people anything, remember walls have ears...
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - NorthernRaider - 22 October 2012
If you think about it Prepping is not really a new thing, before supermarkets, motorways and just in time delivery logistic systems millions of people used to set food n supplies aside for a rainy day. Rural folks right up to the mid 60s often got cut off for weeks at a time, before the importation of foods by air from places like Spain, Egypt, Australia, South Africa etc, you only saw strawberries, melons, grapes, tomatoes, bananas etc when they were in season in the area you actually lived in. So if you wanted fruit or certain veg your grannies had to preserve it and stockpile to see them through the winter. I remember only seeing tangerines, dates, figs etc at Chrishtmas.
So we moved forward with Supermarkets, air frieght, freeezer ships etc bring food from right across the world on the " just in time" delivery system, if a ship breaks down, storm delays it that food arrives to late and past its best. We can no longer grow enough food in the UK to feed more than about a third of the people. Since WW2 we have concreted over millions of acres of former farmland, that again makes us more vulnerable to expensive imported foods. Then we have the famous British weather, this year 2012 saw drought at the start decimate the soft fruit industry and the never ending rains in the middle of the year decimate the veg industry, a bag of spud that cost £2.38 a few months ago now goes for £8.25 according to the TV news.
So now food is expensive, difficult to find and of questionable quality, so those wise preppers who set food aside when it was cheap, good quality and plentyful now reap those benefits, and the sheeple.... they get to whinge over their beers.
As for the HOARDING question, During WW2 when things were already in short supply some people did indeed HOARD desperately needed foods ( note the rich were not affected by food rationing). HOARDING is wrong and immoral BUT HOARDING is not STOCKPILING.
Stockpiling is when you buy or grow food when its plentyful and affordable and set it aside, thats just prudent and wise.
The modern fabel of the Ant and Grass Hopper is very apt.
THE NEW ANT and the Grasshopper, Two Versions:
**** OLD VERSION
The capitalist ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The socialist grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.
MORAL OF THE OLD STORY: Be responsible for yourself !
**** MODERN VERSION
The capitalist ant works hard in the withering heat and the rain all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.
The socialist grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.
Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while he is cold and starving.
ITN, SKY, CH4, and BBC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.
The country is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?
Kermit the Frog appears on Jeremy Kyle with the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not EasyBeing Green'. Occupy the Anthill stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the SEIU group singing, We Shall Overcome. Then Rev. Rowan Williams has the group kneel down to pray for the grasshopper's sake, while he damns the ants.
David Cameron and Ed Milliband condemns the ant and blames Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Winston Churchill, Oliver Cromwell, and the Pope for the grasshopper's plight.
Dianne Abbbott & Tony Robinson exclaim in an interview with Jeremy Paxman that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share. Finally the Equalities Comision drafts the Economic Equity & Anti Grasshopper bill retroactive to the beginning of the summer.
The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar and given to the grasshopper. The story ends as we see the grasshopper and his Labour voting socialist friends finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which, as you recall, just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around them because the grasshopper doesn't maintain it.
The ant has disappeared in the snow, never to be seen again.
The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident, and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the ramshackle, once prosperous and peaceful, neighbourhood.
(22 October 2012, 10:23)Metroyeti Wrote: Dont think you have to be "crazy" to prep. We rely on the shops being open 24/7 and running out of microwave meals is the norm in our society.
I recently interviewed a regional manager for Tesco 24 the convenience store side of the chain, he informed me that in many city centers ( he focused on Leeds, Sheffield and Newcastle) they only stock small bags or sugar, pint sized bottles of milk, small bottles of detergent, loo rolls in two packs, ready prepared salad, chease in lumps under 250 gram etc because the vast majority of the city center residents only buy enough food to last out the day.
But the further away from the urban hubs people live the bigger the size groceries they buy.
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - bigpaul - 22 October 2012
http://www.populationmatters.org/documents/overshoot_country.pdf if you read the "overshoot index" it will tell you that the UK can only feed about 16Million people from what is grown on home soil, the food for the other 44million+ HAS to be imported, you can guess what will happen if for ANY reason those imports stopped. my parents(now long gone) used to have a store cupboard and we only ate fresh what was in season, if it wasnt in season we couldnt get it, these were the days before supermarkets when you had to wait, patiently, in a queue in the shop to be served(these strange people called shop assistants now all we've got is till operators). when i look in peoples trolley's in the local Co-op they all seem to live on microwave meals, pizza's and stuff, nobody seems to be able to actually cook any more.
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - Straight Shooter - 22 October 2012
just to make the point. 1968- 1940= 28 years and still eating allbeit limited supply of food stored in the cellar, but seen with my own eyes...given the right conditions IT CAN BE DONE and in a time with no air con ....it really blows my mind.... we all need to find out these skills for ourselves , my grandmother had a walk in pantry with a big salting stone
(most houses did) she used to salt pork,beef,bacon...i am learning those skills now TO GO FOWARDS WE ALL NEED TO GO BACKWARDS charge on folks !
RE: Possibly the weirdest question I've ever asked - Prepper1 - 22 October 2012
(22 October 2012, 13:40)Straight Shooter Wrote: just to make the point. 1968- 1940= 28 years and still eating allbeit limited supply of food stored in the cellar, but seen with my own eyes...given the right conditions IT CAN BE DONE and in a time with no air con ....it really blows my mind.... we all need to find out these skills for ourselves , my grandmother had a walk in pantry with a big salting stone
(most houses did) she used to salt pork,beef,bacon...i am learning those skills now TO GO FOWARDS WE ALL NEED TO GO BACKWARDS charge on folks !
Thats what a lot of places are trying to do now, there called transition towns.
I think the general idea is like what you said S.S. to go forwards we have to go back. trying to educate people in the old way of doing things.