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Left alone or not? - mikebratcher69 - 29 November 2011
Regardless of the process of the winding down of our current civilisation, I.E. how it happens etc... If you take for granted that the politicians will be protected by there own private police army and the majority of sheeples are long gone and we are all on a collective farm type place we may have set up.
Do you think we'd be left alone to get on with it? Or do you think the government will be as paranoid as it is now, about individuals that dont need the nanny state and move in to quosh a "terror cell" (us) before we pose a threat to them?
After all free thinkers are generally only allowed if you get told what to think by the state.
****DISCLAIMER I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAYING WE ARE NOW OR EVER BE ATHREAT TO THE GOVERNMENT, IT IS MEARLY A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION POSED BY A SELF RELIANT INDIVIDUAL FOR DISSCUSSION*****
RE: Left alone or not? - NorthernRaider - 29 November 2011
They will only consider us as a threat if we (A) stop paying taxes, and (B) pose a threat to them physically. So long as we remain a benign not threatening, law abidding and tax paying community they wont be interested in us. The various ethnic and nationists and political activists will keep their attention. Overall we aint wanting to rock the boat, we just want to live and no rely on the state for our continuence.
Remember how desperate the ruling elite is to stay in power, even the lefties dont want to abolish the lords, the SNP are happy to retain Lairds, under the old War Laws the govt was willing to issue fire arms to traffic wardens in order to remain in control. The Tories, Lefties and unions are desperate not to have a repeat of 1776, thats why they keep trying to buy the loyalty of the benefit claiments.
Forgot to mention the painful lesson the PTB have just learned, IE 37,000 Metroplitan police could not stop 500 Brothers from rioting for 3 days, you can be bloody sure they will be looking at ways of ensuring the public can not do that again, the same way they stopped fuel protestors from blocading refineries etc.
RE: Left alone or not? - bigpaul - 29 November 2011
I think it all depends on the SHTF type event, if a big die off occurs whose to say lots of MP's etc wouldn't be included in the list of the dead?? they arent immune from every event, if a pandemic occurs hiding behind their bank accounts wont save them!
RE: Left alone or not? - NorthernRaider - 29 November 2011
The MPs etc will just move to the regional control centers and survive with the protection of the other services.
RE: Left alone or not? - bigpaul - 29 November 2011
(29 November 2011, 11:49)NorthernRaider Wrote: The MPs etc will just move to the regional control centers and survive with the protection of the other services.
so they end up as the Moorlocks??
RE: Left alone or not? - Skean Dhude - 29 November 2011
This is the age oldproblem. Mps are just useful idiots to those in charge. That is why they all have the same agenda when in power. They won't be included, maybe Cameron and certainly Blair but the others will be discarded.
It is the same here. Our poor live in the top 10% of the planet, until now, they didn't starve or go cold but they still though of themselves as poor and deserving of help. Below themon the ladder is 90% of the humans on the ladder and they have gone hungry and cold and they are fighting their way up. Our poor will get dragged from the ladder and thrown down. Many of them will even think it is right and drag some of us down with them. Screw them.
People talk about these bunkers and regional control centres but they are not really going to do them any good. They are short term solutions that require order be restored in a few months. They can't live there for years nor can they take control from withn them. Plod and the Army require feeding, rearmed and housed. They are the soldiers, the power and the way to excert control. That is why after a while they suddenly have had enough and take over. I would prefer that. Armies tend to only do things to those that threaten them. Governments screw over everybody.
RE: Left alone or not? - bigpaul - 29 November 2011
if we are talking a major event rather than some minor inconvenience that only lasts,say, 4 months, then the govt, the Police & the Army will probably concentrate on the major cities, because that is where the majority of the population is, there are 7million people just in London so they are going to have their hands full, leaving any preppers who have had the sense to get out of the cities long ago, to fend for themselves.
RE: Left alone or not? - NorthernRaider - 29 November 2011
I think we may see some trouble in the very near future, I just listened to the chancellor annouce that after this 3 yer public sector pay freeze is over he is going to limit the public sectors wage rises to 1% a year, If you realise that inflation is near 5 % you can see he is effectively cutting their pay by 4% a year. Even ardent ultra right wingers like me think that is just wrong. Especially as he is increasing benefit payments by 5.4% !!!!
For the first time in my 55 years I have genuine sympathy for the public sector rank and file.
RE: Left alone or not? - bigpaul - 29 November 2011
I have never had nor will ever have sympathy for any trade union, i was stuck in the middle of a union strike when i worked for Post Office Telephones( which became B.T.), i was called a scab and spat at just because i wouldnt join their stupid strike, and i wasnt even a union member! so no i dont agree with their strike tomorrow, and i wouldnt be surprised if it gets taken over by Anarchists and ends in riots-AGAIN!
RE: Left alone or not? - Skean Dhude - 29 November 2011
(29 November 2011, 14:40)NorthernRaider Wrote: For the first time in my 55 years I have genuine sympathy for the public sector rank and file.
Not me. I put everyone on the public teat as benefit reciprients. Most of them do not contribute to anything positive and they are just as unemployed and on benefits as I am. The others need a good sorting out to remove the klingons.
I heard a woman today. Her job was to stop college students getting bored and causing trouble. WTF? In the olden days people fought to get places in schools and took advantage of the privilege. Nobody was employed to ensure the brats were happy.
If we took the public sector as a company. One column is unemployed, another NHS, another MoD, etc. If we just moved most of them from one column to another the salary savings would be tremendous. It would help solve the deficit and then there would be cuts for the socialists to whine about.