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Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - LawAbidingCitizen - 28 October 2013
During the second world war children from large cities were evacuated to the countryside and rural families were obliged to take these children in. It seems likely that in times of national emergency a similar rule may apply, and it could be the case this time that whole communities are transported to rural areas (even in severe case there would most likely be some form of government to carry out this plan). I wonder what your thoughts are on preparing for this type of scenario? How for example would you manage to hide your preps now with so many others now in your area?
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - bigpaul - 28 October 2013
this isn't the 1940's !!, TPTB are more likely to put people in a large "evacuation" centre where they can keep control over them.
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - Jonas - 28 October 2013
Hell, I wish our entire government would evacuate - Siberia and Antarctica would be the preferred destinations. The rest of us could stay home and go about our daily affairs without a hassle...
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - LawAbidingCitizen - 28 October 2013
(28 October 2013, 16:23)bigpaul Wrote: this isn't the 1940's !!, TPTB are more likely to put people in a large "evacuation" centre where they can keep control over them.Maybe so, however if an event was so severe and/or prolonged, I’ve no doubt that private residential dwellings would be ‘commandeered’ in order to ease the strain. It is in this situation that I ask how we as preppers would be able to function and carry out our plans and maintain OPSEC?
(28 October 2013, 16:49)LawAbidingCitizen Wrote:Meant also to include this link which seems to suggest this could very well happen:(28 October 2013, 16:23)bigpaul Wrote: this isn't the 1940's !!, TPTB are more likely to put people in a large "evacuation" centre where they can keep control over them.Maybe so, however if an event was so severe and/or prolonged, I’ve no doubt that private residential dwellings would be ‘commandeered’ in order to ease the strain. It is in this situation that I ask how we as preppers would be able to function and carry out our plans and maintain OPSEC?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/61073/evac_shelter_guidance.pdf
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - CharlesHarris - 28 October 2013
In the US these types of scenarios were worked through in various exercises, most of which are published. I participated in several of these FEMA workshops when I was a mid-level supervisor in our public works department. While these links are oriented towards US emergency plans, the lessons learned may be helpful:
http://www.fema.gov/hurricane-sandy-timeline
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1781922/
http://www.norc.org/PDFs/Walsh%20Center/Links%20Out/URBANTORURALEVACUATIONPLANNINGFORRURALPOPULATIONSURGE_FinalReport.pdf
http://curis.msstate.edu/publish/Rural%20Transport%20Infr_Final.pdf
http://apps.cei.psu.edu/evac/about/index.html
http://www.kanawha.us/oem/documents/Kanawha-CharlestonEvacuationPlan.pdf
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - Mortblanc - 28 October 2013
That's a whole different kind of evacuation CH.
What the OP is referring too is the large scale relocation of large segments of the population on a permanent or long term time frame "for their protection" or for control.
Removal of the children from the cities was supposedly for their safety during the blitz, but it also furnished a small labor force for the farms in rural areas, and freed the urban population from the burden of child care, allowing them to work longer hours in riskier situations and increase war production.
It has also been found useful for the control of insurgent activity among population groups and was the primary feature of our Indian Removal Act and Reservation system for the Indians.
It was also used very successfully by the British in South Africa during the Boer War, in Malaysia after WW2 and was the theory behind the "Pacification Program" for villages in Viet Namn.
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - bigpaul - 28 October 2013
cant see any specifics on the aforementioned plan, it talks about "rest centres" which around here are the local secondary school and a small motel!! I also think TPTB would have a hell of a job if people didn't want to go as we don't have enough Police and Army left to compel large amounts of people to go if they didn't want to. you have to remember whereas in the 1940 people would do what their told, these days the population is more beligerant!!
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - MaryN - 28 October 2013
I have to agree with BP here - the centres are more likely to be any local hall, leisure centre or similar. Can't imagine the Government having much sucess in foisting a load of undesirables on some very stroppy locals. Let's just say - it ain't going to happen!
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - LawAbidingCitizen - 28 October 2013
(28 October 2013, 21:11)MaryN Wrote: I have to agree with BP here - the centres are more likely to be any local hall, leisure centre or similar. Can't imagine the Government having much sucess in foisting a load of undesirables on some very stroppy locals. Let's just say - it ain't going to happen!I hope it doesn't, however depending on the intensity of the event, the government can and will enable emergency powers and will justify it on the need following the event/s, and the need to provide humanitarian assistance. If enough people have lost their homes, what do you expect they will do if the centres are not large enough to accommodate them all. My question is then how would you prepare for this type of scenario? How for example would you manage to hide your preps now with so many others now in your area, and possibly even in your homes?
RE: Government Evacuation in Times of War/National Emergency - MaryN - 28 October 2013
Well, it's not the same as WW!!. I can't remember exactly how many people are supposed to be in the UK - was it 60million-ish? Even if only a small percentage of the population was displaced it wouldn't make any sense for the PTB to start humping folks all over the place. It would incur massive resentment, and if you think about it, what would you do with them all, and how would you achieve it anyway? You could hardly be expected to feed and house hoardes of people when you were probably in the same predicament. This is not a "Mister Tom" scenario.