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Population increase in your area - Scythe13 - 19 May 2014
He're a great one, coming as a response from something Monty said about WW2's refugee relocation program.
Yes the population has increased quite a lot, and yes, things SHOULD have changed, and it'll never happen...again, but we all know TPTB are highly unpredictable. So that's the stand point we're working from.
Something has happened and the population density of certain areas has been reasoned to be 'unreasonable' or 'unacceptable' for the situation. Maybe it poses too big a challenge for humanitarian aid or too likely a target for bombing. As a result TPTB have opted to relocate a lot of people from the cities to more rural areas.
Now the fun begins. If you have a simple 2 up and 2 down, then providing the gov decides so, which they could well do, you could end up housing a total of 2 adults and 3 kids in your 2x2 house. So that could be you and the other half, suddenly taking in 3 kids. Or any combination of a 2x2 housing a total of 5 people...something like that. Maybe you have a 2x2 and you're suddenly lumped with another 2 adults. You get the idea.
Previous thoughts on something unexpected like this are:
This was never really going to happen...but it did in the past. Things are different now. Well.......maybe....but....
Major terrorist attacks in the US were never going to happen, but they did.
Another depression was never going to happen, but it did.
Another world war was not going to happen after WW1 (the war to end all wars), but it did.
Another genocide was not going to happen after WW2, but MANY more did.
Relocation of city populace was never going to happen.......you get the point I'm trying to make.
So assuming this scenario is not going to happen could lead to a gap in your planning. So play nice and play along. If you don't think it'll happen, that's cool. I hope it doesn't happen either, but there's no point in burying your head and just hoping it doesn't happen. Better to plan for it, or at least consider the possibility of it. Answer as if there is the chance of something like this happening to you.
Please note, if you are already in a high density population area, you could well be getting evacuated. How would you respond?
For those of us in more rural settings, the gov knock on your door and you have a couple of people, maybe family members, on your door step. What now?
If you decide to just lock the door and leave them outside, (for this scenario) the law will come down on you hard and you will face fines and prison time. Then another couple will be occupying your home as the 'property managers' while also looking after the extra kids that have been planted on your doorstep.
It's the start of Situation X, and there has not been a massive die off.
Firstly, how have you planned for this?
Secondly, how would you react to such a thing happening?
What kinds of responses do you see available?
What plans of action could be taken?
What would you do?
RE: Population increase in your area - Mortblanc - 19 May 2014
Ahh, this scenario comes from what has happened in the past rather than out of the rabbit hole! It also addresses the fact that there has been some form of organized government operating, taking inventory and collecting taxes in GB through every crisis, plague, famine and war since William landed on your shores.
A scenario where the government has not collapsed, the social order has not dissolved into cannibalism, money is still present and worth something and the military still has fuel, guns and ammo and can enforce their will! Or perhaps it is a foreign government imposing its will on a conquered nation that chose surrender over extinction?
Perhaps the only thing that has happened is that London has taken a hit from a single nuke, and now everyone is waiting. (remember that "phony war" period just before Dunkirk?)
First, you must accept that there will be or has been a complete and thorough "assessment and evaluation" of your premises by TPTB. Any obvious preps or visible equipment they now know about and probably confiscated.
Guess what??? The shed in the back yard where you keep the "good stuff" is now a flat for 5 persons!
And the off site storage facility where you kept the extras in rented space has now been turned into public housing.
The neighbors might not know about your preps, but this new evacuee family is going to be right in the middle of your business right now and from now on. They will hear every word you speak and know every morsel you consume. They will smell the ramen noodle spices on your breath. And those kids are into everything!
Your chances of moving the preps or caching them might have been very limited. In WW2 the Evacuation proposal was debated and passed on one day and implemented on the next! People were on busses and moving into the suburbs and countryside on the afternoon of day 2.
The people will arrive with an official that hands you a list of the rules, requirements and regulations. And NO they are not simply suggestions! Failure to comply will result in YOU suddenly occupying a worse situation than you now face.
My first question on seeing them at the door would be as to the location of the feeding stations that would be needed to sustain the influx of people.
If rationing was in effect I would ask about the presence of their ration cards.
GB has a history of both of those activities also, along with provisions for some form of compensation for the efforts of the home owner.
Next, I would make provisions for getting out of the house as much as possible. It is going to be a crowded and noisy place. To the extent that movement is possible (you may be under curview or have check points or road blocks) make plans to preserve ones mental state by not being present. Remember that the spouse will be in the same situation. Your dwelling may become the place you go just to sleep and not to relax.
Your preps?? Well all good plans of mice and men sometimes go astray.
Of course you can still use the water butts, work the plot to stretch your rations, turn on the solar lights at night if that is allowed.
It does not have to be ALL BAD!!
As I stated in another thread, my late father-in-law was billeted in a private residence during the war. The lady of the house got each soldier's ration booklet and a bit extra for her efforts. They combined all the rations and ate reasonably well for the effort. The squaddies also brought home treats from the Red Cross on occasion, such as canned hams, butter, cheese and other staples. That is not counting the goodies they were known to pilfer from the company mess.
They also contributed blankets, toiletries and items that were not easily available to civilians, such as razor blades, soap and (believe it or not) military issue shotgun shells.
My FIL never forgot his "host family" and kept communication with them until his dying day. He visited them twice over the years after the war. It was a friendship that lasted nearly 50 years.