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REBUILDING WORLD - John - 18 September 2015
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - John - 23 September 2015
Well as of now I see 103 views and not one comment, thought or reply.
No agreement or disagreement.
I assume the final words 'What then?' do not concern anyone.
May be I'll have the record for the number of views to a post but no comments.
John
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - bigpaul - 23 September 2015
either everyone is in full agreement with everything you wrote John, which I somehow doubt very much!
or its " WTF is he talking about? SHTF will only last a few days, a few weeks, a month at the most, then its back to "business as usual!!".Unfortunately most people these days have never been through truly hard times, so they have no idea how bad the bad times can be.
Just because the world has enjoyed a tremendous amount of prosperity for the last several decades does not mean they will always be that way.
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - Barneyboy - 23 September 2015
For me ,candles and lamps and wood for the heat and light and hot water ,it will not be fun ,but will be better than bugger all ,if I need to bug out cant see me taking my solar panels with me in my bob
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - Straight Shooter - 23 September 2015
The way i see it John.....is ...the only way to survive would be within a group...when all runs out ...but well before that happens people will adapt and thrive...its what we do as humans, smelting rock to make iron tools ...great if you know how....and some will, along with most other early skills....stability within a group can and will facilitate this.....but only within a group/tribe ....i have not looked at the link on purpose.........time scale ? there is a lot of steel iron...we are talking many generations into the future.....I or you will be long gone so its how we would leave and teach the required information for those future souls.
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - Steve - 23 September 2015
I've never calculated how long it would take a stainless steel saucepan to wear out, or how long a stainless carving knife takes to be sharpened away, but I'll bet it's a long, long time.
How long does a copper cable last ? Or a steel wheel ? I have 100 year old iron wheels that are perfectly useable, and a 1954 lathe, 1939 milling machine, 1950 metal shaper, all perfectly serviceable.
My chisels will last for as long as I care for them.
I really don't buy into this "back to the stone age" stuff.
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - bigpaul - 24 September 2015
neither have I Steve, but without mass production everything will be back to a simpler way of life.
as we have said before many times, if there are loads of survivors then any "resources" that are left will be used up very quickly, without factories or even the knowledge to make things, people will be using up what is left lying about.
does anyone here know how to build a solar panel, a wind turbine, a water wheel, from scratch from basic materials? because I sure as hell don't!
how do you repair solar panels without knowing how to make spare parts?
how do you repair anything when the spare parts are no longer on the store shelves?
you revert to a simpler lifestyle based on putting food on the table, anything else is an added bonus.
but then most people don't know what the hell John and I are talking about anyway, most people think mankind is "too big to fail", I just think we've got further to fall is all.
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - Devonian - 24 September 2015
First I haven't looked at the information on John's link, if that has any bearing on anything.
Secondly I'm in total agreement with what Steve has posted.
Thirdly, John's post is of a familiar theme to others he has posted (take the pencil example) and is focused solely on the situation that after an event, the world will lose all traces of its manufacturing capabilities, including the factories etc and all associated knowledge and that everything that has ever been manufactured, will also, over a finite time period, simply turn to dust. And furthermore that mankind will not evolve during this time or develop alternative strategies or techniques or technologies and therefore all of mankind is doomed. Well, as an engineer myself, I don't agree with this or see that as being a likely scenario.
In my opinion, even if mankind cannot manufacture new Solar Panels after any future event (which is a possibility), you can be sure he will use and cannibalise whatever he can get his hands on and additionally, other maybe more primitive means of generation will quickly be developed, even if they are Heath Robinson in nature.
And if we are in that situation, lets not forget that the future power needs are only going to be a tiny fraction of todays requirements!
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - bigpaul - 24 September 2015
just because some people believe "it'll never get that bad" we shouldn't even think about it never mind discuss it? that's like saying "i will plan for A,B and C" but what happens if D,E, or F happen? shouldn't we have an open mind to ALL events not just our personal "pet" ones? its not like any of us have a crystal ball or a time machine, none of us know what is going to happen, but with all the things that are happening in the world today, I don't think now is the time to be complacent.
I suppose if no one has ever encountered a severe event during their lifetime then the possibilities become more remote to that person of it ever happening.
I suppose this is what is meant by "normalcy Bias".
RE: REBUILDING WORLD - Devonian - 24 September 2015
I think we need to be careful that we are not mixing up 2 different issues here.
How bad it gets, and whether or not resources; equipment; tools and knowledge etc remain are not interlinked.
You could easily have an end of the world as we know it situation and massive die off etc, but that doesn't mean that plant, machinery, structures or other equipment will simply be turned to dust. If that were the case, then "NONE" of us will be left to see it anyway as we are far more fragile and delicate than steel; iron; concrete; masonry; copper or even most plastics!