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From Germany - NorthernRaider - 2 November 2015
Merkel's Biggest Challenge Is Syrians Unwilling to Integrate
by Donna Abu-Nasr empty text
November 1, 2015 — 11:01 PM GMT
Mariam isn’t the kind of Syrian refugee Angela Merkel might have been expecting.
QuickTake
Europe’s Refugee Crisis
After a trek from Turkey with her three children to reunite with her husband in Berlin, the 23-year-old in her long black coat and cream headscarf wants to leave the city she thought would be a “paradise” and return to a Muslim country.
“I don’t want roots here, I don’t want to learn German or to integrate,” she said in Arabic, as she endured the rain on an October morning, asking not to be identified by her full name after escaping the violence at home. “I won’t need to, anyway, because I’m here only until the war in Syria is over.”
Many Syrians like Mariam at a Berlin refugee center spoke similarly of Germany as a temporary pit stop rather than a completely new life. While only a snapshot, it’s one that could presage the next chapter in the crisis engulfing Europe’s largest economy, with many newcomers resisting learning German and assimilation. Doing so would raise the risk of parallel societies emerging and add to voters’ concerns as Chancellor Angela Merkel faces the biggest threat yet to her chancellorship.
When she tossed opened Germany’s borders in August to asylum seekers, she spoke of how they would fill jobs as the local population shrinks and become the taxpayers of the future. Now, political allies within Merkel’s own Christian Democratic Union and its Christian Social Union sister party are voicing concern those efforts may fail as the influx shows no sign of abating. Syrians applying for asylum in Germany in the first nine months of 2015 numbered 73,615, out of a total of 303,443 applications, according to government data. The figures don’t include the thousands who have arrived in recent weeks and not yet been registered.
“It will lead to embitterment among the German public, a decline of trust in the political system and severe pressure on the CDU party to force Angela Merkel to modify her ways or to abdicate,” said Werner J. Patzelt, political science professor at the Technische Universitaet in Dresden.
Feeling Regret
Ahmed, another 23-year-old Syrian, has been in the country longer. His parents paid smugglers to get him to Germany more than two years ago, and he still hasn’t found a job. He doesn’t want to go to language classes, and supplements his 400-euro ($443) monthly stipend from the government by working off the books at Arab-run businesses.
“I regret coming here,” said Ahmed, also asking not to be identified by his full name after avoiding being drafted into the Syrian army. “The other day, I asked my friends who’d want to return, seven out of nine raised their hands. The rest have their families here.”
The difference between other recent crises Merkel had to contend with -- such as Russia’s intervention in Ukraine and the standoff with Greece -- is this one’s more visible.
Merkel’s open-door policy for asylum seekers fleeing from war zones has encouraged hundreds of thousands -- many coming for economic reasons from countries where they will eventually be returned -- to make the illegal journey.
Life Vests
On a recent chartered flight from Beirut to a Turkish resort town, the pilot warned passengers, many of them Syrian, not to steal the plane’s life vests, much needed by those crossing the Aegean on overcrowded rubber dinghies.
“What makes this so crucial and difficult for Merkel is that it’s not on our doorstep, it’s inside Germany and there’s no end to it,” said Judy Dempsey, a senior associate at Carnegie Europe in Berlin. Merkel and other German officials must make it "very clear that integration is a priority if you want to stay in this country. Otherwise, there’s going to a real sense of alienation on both sides," she said.
Loving Merkel
News of migrants suffocating in trucks or drowning at sea sparked an initial wave of support for the newcomers among Germans. Syrians already settled in the country are now trying to foster assimilation.
“I love Merkel,” said 28-year-old carpenter Ahmed. “I’m ready to learn German and do any kind of job. But when my two children become teenagers, I want to go back to the Arab world so they can grow up as good Muslims.”
Fawaz Tello, a Syrian opposition figure who’s been in Berlin for more than three years, stresses to new arrivals that integration won’t lead to a dilution of their faith and traditions.
“I tell them, ‘there’s more religious freedom here than you can ever imagine,’” Tello said. “Integration is respecting the law and others, being punctual, serious, precise and honest in what they do, and that Germans don’t care if they don’t eat pork.”
Yet the influx is overwhelming Germany, and many Syrians at the Berlin center spoke of how they’d expected a smoother transition in a country known for its efficiency.
Overcrowding
The gloss came off for Mariam when she and her family showed up at an overcrowded reception center. The endless paperwork, travel by subway, the gray weather and the non-Islamic culture have made her long for the life she abandoned in Turkey.
Others are tired of living in overcrowded gymnasiums, city halls and former barracks. Some have yet to be fingerprinted, an initial step in gaining refugee status.
One of them is 30-year-old Mohammed. He now wants to return to Turkey after five months in Germany. But since he came in illegally, he doesn’t know how to go back.
“The smugglers work one way only,” he said.
RE: From Germany - Devonian - 2 November 2015
And apparently more immigrants crossed the Mediterranean in October 2015 heading for Germany/Northern Europe, than in the whole of 2014.
RE: From Germany - NorthernRaider - 2 November 2015
Just wait for the backlash when they realise they are not in the Islamic version of Nirvana with free everything, houses, jobs, cars, money, medical care, education, pre teen girls...........................................
RE: From Germany - Midnitemo - 2 November 2015
but do you think they will leave or will they try and change things from within...tis the Moslem modus operandi after all.. they sure as egg's is egg's wont assimilate.
RE: From Germany - MaryN - 2 November 2015
It's going to blow......
RE: From Germany - CharlesHarris - 2 November 2015
A perfect illustration of the Law of Unintended Consequences!
I appologise in advance for the US History lesson following, and will not be upset if the mods choose to delete it, but in the light of current events, it serves to illustrate that not much has changed except for the willingness of the Western world to tolerate such nonsense.
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In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was plain and simple extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thugery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".
When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.
Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply. America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States...
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
RE: From Germany - NorthernRaider - 2 November 2015
Winston Churchill 1899: "Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world." Is this a true quote?
Origins: An obscure quote attributed to British statesman Winston Churchill has been circulating on the Internet since at least May 2013, when Missouri State Representative Rick Stream sent an e-mail to his colleagues warning about the dangers of Islam. That e-mail cited a passage said to have been taken from a speech by Churchill, as reproduced in his 1899 book The River War: An Historical Account of the Reconquest of the Soudan:
I am sending the attached short speech from Winston Churchill, delivered by him in 1899 when he was a young soldier and journalist. It probably sets out the current views of many but expressed in the wonderful Churchillian turn of phrase and use of the English language, of which he was a past master. Sir Winston Churchill was, without doubt, one of the greatest men of the late 19th and 20th centuries.
He was a brave young soldier, a brilliant journalist, an extraordinary politician and statesman, a great war leader and Prime Minister, to whom the Western world must be forever in his debt. He was a prophet in his own time; He died on 24 January 1965, at the grand old age of 90 and, after a lifetime of service to his country, was accorded a State funeral.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome. "
RE: From Germany - Sunna - 2 November 2015
not all germans love refugees
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/616306/Neo-Nazis-Germany-asylum-seekers-migrants
the fight back has started