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Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - CharlesHarris - 1 October 2017
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - Mortblanc - 2 October 2017
It appears that 10,000 shipping containers of food and water are sitting in port due to a lack of drivers for the trucks to transport the goods.
Once again politics is taking precedent over good sense. This is the same crap we had during Katrina, where a mayor and local officials in a corrupt and bankrupt "political machine" wanted to insure they got a cut of all funds, blocked assistance to the community.
The Teamsters Union is refusing to allow anyone that does not have a valid Commercial Driver License to drive a truck and the mayor of San Juan is backing them up due to political debts. The Union is in charge of vetting the drivers of the relief mission!
So far only 20% of the Union drivers on the island can be contacted, so supplies are only going out to a limited area near the city.
If this were Texas or Florida there would be a fleet of 250,000 pickup driving rednecks in 4wd units lined up and waiting to get the supplies to the people!
I am surprised that FEMA has not called on a National Guard transport unit to furnish some military drivers for this task.
Originally it was thought that the roads were impassable but that has been claimed not the case. And apparently the air port is in usable condition too or the shipments would not be getting in.
I do not think most of the people in the affected area care if the driver bringing them supplies belongs to the Union or not.
Air lifting supplies is going to be difficult due to the limited number of aircraft. Each Navy ship responding to the Island has only a couple of helicopters on board, if any.
I am sure that many of the local aircraft were damaged by the storm and they have limited capabilities at best.
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - CharlesHarris - 2 October 2017
Unfortunately, FEMA cannot activate the National Guard, they are considered a state government asset under control of the governor, unless Federalized.
President Trump has the authority to Federalize the National Guard and to put them under Federal government command under his authority as Commander In Chief, in which case the military liaison from Central Command who is allocated to FEMA for the duration of the event, has full authority to command on the ground.
Doing so would have political consequences, by removing incident command away from state and local control, but this has precedent when the state and local government has been deemed corrupt and incompetent, as was the case in New Orleans after Katrina. Mayor Ray Nagen later went to prison and governor Landrieu was voted out of office in the next election.
Time will tell...
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - CharlesHarris - 2 October 2017
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - Mortblanc - 2 October 2017
Now, with the political commentary out of the way how about we look at the actual situation and how WE would deal with it.
No electric for the well pumps. Surface water as the only source.
All surface water is assumed contaminated.
PR is not a desert island, there are many streams and runoffs.
And remember that there are still people there, so them and the supplies they had on hand did survive the storm, however, many of the things we would normally stash away, like Berkley filters and such might be damaged beyond use or repair.
No time to build big filter systems. You need the water right now!
Personally, I would be looking for the largest metal container I could find, filling it with water and stoking a big fire underneath, while at the same time searching through the rubble for bottles of bleach.
There should be no shortage of water on PR, the shortage is of potable water. There is also not a shortage of fuel, plenty of wood to burn around after one of these storms.
Fortunately many of the older people of PR are used to a rural existence and remember living without power. They are probably already searching in the shed for the old well buckets they used to use to draw water.
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - CharlesHarris - 2 October 2017
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - Mortblanc - 2 October 2017
Lets see now, it takes between 5% and 10% alcohol to kill the bugs so a good 80 proof rum would be 40% bug killer, so a quart of rum should kill all the bugs in a 2 gallon bucket of water if you let it sit for a while.
Sounds like a real waste of good rum. Best to use gin or vodka.
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - CharlesHarris - 2 October 2017
Ethyl alcohol USP, Everclear, Pharmco, aka good moonshine or white lightning 192 proof. Not just for stove fuel anymore.
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - Straight Shooter - 2 October 2017
One of the things i have done (deliberately) when i build my brew shed ....was not to connect to the main water supply (which is easy to do ) my main reason was to see what that would mean and how would that effect me ....water is heavy.... so i used a two wheeled stack trolley to transport a 25 ltr and a 10 ltr water jack , over to the main house (about 120 yards ) i was amazed by the results and how much we take this resource for granted at least i did .....boiling water....electric kettle or via a stock pot on the lpg gas stove, you soon learn how to conserve water and reorganise your activities ....in short you do not waste it, i have a stream running 8 ft away from the belfast sink so i could use that via a tank up the hill a ways and pipe in to the shed ...but i would have to boil every pint of it .....but very easy doable even if i employed the wood stove i made in a shtf scenario and i do have a big boy Berkey and another two streams around the ground plus a well that has a sump holding thirty gallons .....i always keep those jacks full by the end of any day as a matter of coarse just in case i have to load them into the bo trailer or 4x4 sharpish with regards to PR they had fair warning and should have prepared better imho.
RE: Maintaining Potable Water Supply Post-Flood/Storm - Mortblanc - 2 October 2017
I just had a brain fart.
Got to wondering what large container would be easily available in a disaster zone and appropriate for boiling large quantities of water.
A guy on TV started talking about "bathtub gin" and it hit me that one could pull a steel bathtub from the rubble, plug the drain hole and sit it on a couple of stones or blocks and stoke a good fire under it at the end opposite the drain.
If you kept two or three going at the same time you could rotate out 400 liters of water from each tub. It would take a long boil time so it would be best to keep two or three going if possible.