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Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - CharlesHarris - 24 October 2018
The idea that this is a spontaneous, disorganized event that "randomly" occurred just prior to the US election is delusional thought. Most US military veterans or enforcement could, if given the authority and resources, stop this caravan.
I had the opportunity to "Tabletop" this scenario on another forum and I thought the conclusions would make an interesting read. You are fortunate to have the English Channel and not a common border.
To start with the US should cut off the billions in aid we give Mexico annually.
Stop all border traffic crossing both ways effective tomorrow except for returning US citizens.
Let Mexico know if they don't help on their side, the new trade deal is over and that all trade with them ends tomorrow.
Let Mexico, The International Red Cross and anyone else who supports this caravan of invaders know the consequences will be immediate, severe and long lasting.
Arrest anyone else who aids and abets what is clearly a well organized and well financed invasion of the United States.
Deploy thoroughly briefed, well trained and equipped troops to likely crossing points.
Construct field expedient barricades, fencing and wire, etc.
Deploy National Guard under Title 32 authority, directed by state adjutants general with NORTHCOM synchronizing independent efforts.
Execute classic counter-reconnaissance template:
Physical barriers on natural lines of drift;
REMBASS sensors linked to aviation and ground based interdiction teams;
Ground based radars to track movement;
Riverine patrol boats;
Temporary holding areas...
The key tasks are to acquire, track, attrition, hand-off infiltrators to next echelon.
Defense in depth is essential to success.
In this case depth means hundreds of miles instead of 10s of kilometers.
DEA and Border Patrol runs the show. Army and NG catch the infiltrators and turn over to Federal LE for sorting and processing.
Posse Commitatus IS NOT an issue because NG and Active Army is supporting force to NORTHCOM not involved in law enforcement at all.
STRONGLY advise against refugee screening in CONUS. Instead move them all to GITMO or another foreign base for evaluation and processing. Camp Doha comes to mind.
Public health and safety is the reason - We don’t want any more epidemics like the typhus outbreak in SoCal, and there are no adequate domestic facilities ready to house them. At GITMO they are out of the reach of federal judges, which avoids a replay of photogenic children behind barbed wire in Texas. The holding is best done at a remote military facility.
The trouble will be court battles over how things are handled. That’s why the foreign invaders can’t be detained in the US. Because otherwise any judge can issue a release order and a cease and desist injunction. Best to avoid those adverse consequences by letting NG round them up and by having active duty manage forward deployed detention and procession under supervision of DoJ.
Air Force and Navy can handle the transportation and some medical screening with Public Health Service and USAMRID support. Enough cases of infectious disease will probably be found to justify the cautious approach to domestic public safety as flu season approaches.
Stopping this is not rocket science. It is about having the political will to stop it.
Personally I don't see the above happening, because there is a reason the "big Money movers" in the drug cartels want top keep the violence contained war on their side of the fence. The safest place in AZ is the border town of Naco in the middle of the street on a week night. Why? Because the LAST thing the human trafficers and drug smugglers want is more law and more people deployed here.
The Cartels will never do anything to force a response from the US Govt. In Texas when 2 American jet skiers were killed. Obama didn't do anything, but Texas permanently deployed gun boats along the Rio Grande which demonstrate a history of shooting anything moving on the river, including the occasional cow who fails to "halt" on command.
Add in the loss of drug revenue from legalizing MJ in several US states and you have the Mexican criminal element being trip wire touchy when others try to muscle in on their operation, either by attracting attention or moving in territories they don't own.
The Mexican Cartels don't want more law interfering with their operations. They can kill who they want in Mexico, but don't allow the noise of a gun fight to cross the line or lots of OD green and blue shirts show up. That's bad for business.
Keep in mind that this "caravan" didn't coordinate with any of the cartels. Every inch along the Mexican border is "owned" on the south side by organized criminal gangs. The caravan might get to the Mexican border states, but the whole circus will break apart when the event organizers don't have permission to go further once they are here. Its going to take an outrageous amount of bribe money green to grease those wheels for thousands of migrants.
My take is the Cartels will accomplish for Trump and Company what the Mexican Army will not. Increased border traffic congestion is disrupting the crossing. My asessment is that we are just waiting to see if the cartels start killing some of them on their side them to send a message or if the Mexican Army looses control and heats up their M240's because Granpa green ( United States) has cut off the AID money for the Generals and politicians down there to steal.
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - Straight Shooter - 24 October 2018
This one is easy Charles, get rid of all the deep state players ...... Trump is already doing it ....should not be that long now when All will be revealed.... imho Trump is very very smart ...underestimate him at you'r peril ....you will ALWAYS come second ! there again he thrives on being underestimated ....that is why they want him gone....they are scared shitless.....with good reason.
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - Mortblanc - 24 October 2018
The cartels have been well paid. That was done with Clinton/Sorros/Democratic Party money.
Thousands of people do not cross the southern Mexican border and march 3000 miles across an entire sovereign nation without being well funded, fed and organized.
And all at the one month to two week time frame before the election.
Follow the money.
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - Pete Grey - 24 October 2018
Is that why Sorros, the Clintons and now Obama have been sent explosive devices ?.
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - MaryN - 25 October 2018
(24 October 2018, 18:34)Mortblanc Wrote: The cartels have been well paid. That was done with Clinton/Sorros/Democratic Party money.
Thousands of people do not cross the southern Mexican border and march 3000 miles across an entire sovereign nation without being well funded, fed and organized.
And all at the one month to two week time frame before the election.
Follow the money.
Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how is this fiasco going to help the Democratic cause??
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - Mortblanc - 25 October 2018
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Excuse my ignorance, but exactly how is this fiasco going to help the Democratic cause??
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18% of the U.S. population is Hispanic and they have two very consistent features.
They do no assimilate into the general population and most are tied firmly to their country of origin. A large segment of these people do not speak English or intend to learn English. They generally believe there should be a one way open door policy of unrestricted immigration.
They vote as a block for the Democratic party due to that party embracing an open borders policy.
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - CharlesHarris - 25 October 2018
Add to MB's comment, that Democratic dominated states have fiercely resisted any state laws which require a government issued ID to vote.
You need to show ID to buy liquor or cigarettes, go to a doctor's office or hospital, to get onto an airplane or to cash a check at the bank, but to require proof of identity and citizenship to vote is somehow "racist" and discriminatory.
California already permits non-citizens to vote in local elections.
The whole purpose is to commit widespread voter fraud and to establish a Socialist/Leftist totalitarian government which would destroy out Constitutional republic.
The mainstream news media insists there was no fraud in the 2016 election, but that is "fake news."
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Jun 12, 2018 - WINCHESTER — A Frederick County woman has admitted to the extremely ... Marie Ritter pleaded guilty to voting after being convicted of a felony. ... years in support of voter I.D. laws, which passed in Virginia in 2014, and strict voter roll purges. ... But the in-person voter fraud committed by Ritter is actually ...
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Aug 28, 2018 - Nor did she know that under Texas's strict electoral laws, she was ineligible to vote. By dint of a previous conviction for tax fraud, for which she ...
Mexican woman charged with voter fraud, accused of illegally voting in ...
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May 15, 2018 - A Mexican woman has been charged in Texas with voter fraud after ... in West Virginia last month, claiming millions voted illegally in 2016.
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Jun 27, 2017 - Lucy Nicholson/Reuters A man who was paid to register new voters in Virginia has pleaded guilty to charges he submitted 18 fraudulent voter ...
Texas woman sentenced to prison for voting illegally in 2016 ...
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Mar 30, 2018 - Texas woman sentenced to five years in prison for illegally voting in 2016 .... election while on supervised release for a tax fraud conviction.
Election Fraud Cases | The Heritage Foundation
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RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - CharlesHarris - 29 October 2018
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-to-send-5000-troops-to-the-us-mexico-border-2018-10
President Donald Trump warned the "caravan of migrants" approaching the US-Mexico border Monday that the US military will be waiting for them when they arrive....
The deployment would mean that there would be more troops serving at the border than there are in Iraq and Syria....
The troops, which are expected to initially be stationed at ports of entry, will be deployed to provide additional security as the so-called "caravan of migrants" pushes toward the US-Mexico border. The plan, known as Operation Faithful Patriot, will see 1,800 troops sent to Texas, 1,700 to Arizona, and 1,500 to California.
Over 2,000 National Guard personnel were sent to the border in April. The additional troops will, however, support Custom and Border Protection officials, not the National Guard mission...
The troops expected to be sent to the border will, according to The WSJ, primarily consist of military police and engineers, but the military also reportedly plans to send Marines.
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - Mortblanc - 29 October 2018
Now think about that CH.
If the military is dispatched and each unit is responsible for providing their own security then the realistic thing to do is for each unit to secure their section with a solid barrier on the side facing the river!
No extra funding from congress required!
RE: Migrant Caravan Approaching US Mexico Border - CharlesHarris - 30 October 2018
And the area impeded by any barrier must also be covered by overlapping fields of fire.