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Electric Vehicles - MaryN - 23 July 2021
Just curious, but has anyone actually considered getting an electric vehicle, or even a hybrid?
RE: Electric Vehicles - Mortblanc - 23 July 2021
Only after they have the technology perfected. At the moment they are still trying to reinvent the wheel.
They are working on the wrong hybrid tech and battery tech is not sufficient to support all electric vehicles at the moment.
The hybrid tech we should be chasing is petrol over electric, such as the rail industry has used for nearly a century. A tiny high efficiency petrol generator that uses a liter of petrol every 5-6 hours powering electric motors at the wheels.
Everyone is chasing the "zero footprint" when such an animal does not exist. The real goal being to get us out of our cars and pumping bike pedals.
RE: Electric Vehicles - CharlesHarris - 23 July 2021
The local government I retired from ten years ago bought Toyota Prius motor pool loaner vehicles when they first came out.
Fire Department required special training to extricate victims in MVAs driving them to avoid electrocution of first responders or passengers. Reliablity of the early Hybrids was poor. Somewhat better now, supposedly.
Initial cost is higher than gas vehicle, but supposedly you make this up in fuel savings over ten years if you keep the car that long.
Perhaps with higher fuel costs in UK and EU break even point would be sooner.
https://www.caranddriver.com/research/a31274277/prius-battery-life/
A Toyota Prius' battery life is not definitive, as it will depend on how far you drive and the conditions that you drive it in. However, the battery does have a warranty, which is good for either 10 years or 150,000 miles in states that have California emissions laws. In all other states, the warranty on your Prius battery is good for 8 years or 100,000 miles. This means that if you need your battery replaced within the warranty period, you can get a new one with no out-of-pocket cost.
Things to Know about the Prius Battery
A Prius' battery consists of 28 Panasonic nickel-metal hydride modules. Each of these contains six 1.2-volt cells says Green Car Reports. They are connected in a series and will produce a total of 201.6 volts. The Lexus RX 400h has a nickel-metal hydride battery that's packaged in a newly developed metal casing. It has 240 cells that, in conjunction with the boost converter, can deliver up to 500 volts.
Driving a Prius will save you a lot of money at the fuel pump, but what happens when you have to switch out the battery? The warranty is good for at least 8 years, but many people drive their cars much longer than that; especially Toyotas, as they are known for having long lives. So if you own a Prius, it's likely that, at some point, you will need to replace the battery. This can be very expensive at about $4033 for the new hybrid battery pack.
See also:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2014/04/09/replacing-a-dead-prius-hybrid-battery-doesnt-have-to-cost-thousands-of-dollars/#581966d93ee9
https://www.consumerreports.org/hybrids-evs/hybrids-101-guide-to-hybrid-cars/
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1059907_the-ultimate-guide-toyota-prius-battery-life-cost-and-warranty
https://www.hybridcars.com/hybrid-car-battery/
https://hybridbatteryrepairservice.com/prius/
RE: Electric Vehicles - CharlesHarris - 23 July 2021
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More recent electric vehicles using Lithium-Ion batteries have longer life and higher load capacity are may present an increased fire hazard due to thermal runaway:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/gm-recalls-chevy-bolts-for-second-time-due-to-fire-risk-11627045849
GM Recalls All-Electric Chevy Bolt for Second Time Due to Fire Risk
The company is advising owners of 2017-19 model year vehicles to keep their charges at a certain level and to park them outside after charging
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/23/business/general-motors-recall-chevrolet-bolt.html
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317252293_Thermal_runaway_mechanism_of_lithium_ion_battery_for_electric_vehicles_A_review
https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2589-0042(21)00369-2.pdf
RE: Electric Vehicles - Midnitemo - 23 July 2021
no , my next car will be a small capacity turbo petrol