(8 April 2012, 10:08)Weyoun Wrote: Strategy 1, We aim for the 1st or most aggressive person and shoot 2-3 in the face, followed instantly by a thrust with our bayonets fixed to the rifle.

(8 April 2012, 23:24)00111001 Wrote: [quote='Weyoun' pid='11927' dateline='1333876083']

I'll be keeping a motorcycle helmet put to one side. that'll take an air rifle round with out any problems. Less visibility, and you can't hear as well, but it'll definitely save a thwack to the old noggin.

(8 April 2012, 10:08)Weyoun Wrote: We practice a strategy with Air rifles, swords, sticks and other weapons daily. There are currently 4 of us in our team. Strategy 1, We aim for the 1st or most aggressive person and shoot 2-3 in the face, followed instantly by a thrust with our bayonets fixed to the rifle. This takes seconds and we move onto attacker 2. If we are rushed, we shoot 2-3 in people the face followed by bayoneting. All is rapid, explosive and direct.

This is 1 of several strategies we practice. We are slick and organised with it too. We have a leader, voice activated headsets, protective clothing and are all capable of military level Krav maga, defense against weapons, how to use weapons etc. Nobody is invincible, but we stand a better chance than most against a lesser organised and trained group. We do take this very seriously, and why not, these skills are becoming more needed every day.

Just recently 2 yobs tried to stab me in the neck with chop sticks in a Chinese restaurant because I asked them to stop saying the "C" word in front of my wife. They will think twice next time.

But, back to air guns. Used as part of the strategy, they have a good place. On their own, perhaps not the best weapon, but they certainly act as a stopper and give you time to do more damage in other ways.

(9 April 2012, 00:05)WetandCold Wrote:

(8 April 2012, 10:08)Weyoun Wrote: We practice a strategy with Air rifles, swords, sticks and other weapons daily. There are currently 4 of us in our team. Strategy 1, We aim for the 1st or most aggressive person and shoot 2-3 in the face, followed instantly by a thrust with our bayonets fixed to the rifle. This takes seconds and we move onto attacker 2. If we are rushed, we shoot 2-3 in people the face followed by bayoneting. All is rapid, explosive and direct.

This is 1 of several strategies we practice. We are slick and organised with it too. We have a leader, voice activated headsets, protective clothing and are all capable of military level Krav maga, defense against weapons, how to use weapons etc. Nobody is invincible, but we stand a better chance than most against a lesser organised and trained group. We do take this very seriously, and why not, these skills are becoming more needed every day.

Just recently 2 yobs tried to stab me in the neck with chop sticks in a Chinese restaurant because I asked them to stop saying the "C" word in front of my wife. They will think twice next time.

But, back to air guns. Used as part of the strategy, they have a good place. On their own, perhaps not the best weapon, but they certainly act as a stopper and give you time to do more damage in other ways.

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(8 April 2012, 23:30)Stokey Wrote:

(8 April 2012, 23:24)00111001 Wrote:

(8 April 2012, 10:08)Weyoun Wrote: I'll be keeping a motorcycle helmet put to one side. that'll take an air rifle round with out any problems. Less visibility, and you can't hear as well, but it'll definitely save a thwack to the old noggin.

I'm gonna get really boring here with my defence of air rifles, an uprated air rifle will shoot through a steel sheet let alone a motorcycle helmet :-)

The one I have will kick out 23lb/ft2 apparently. I doubt very much that'll go through a steel sheet?

A motorcycle helmet is built to withstand a huge impact. Admittedly, the surface area of the impact is greater, but the forces involved are higher.

Quote:Airgun energy generally is expressed in foot pounds. It is well worth considering, in practical terms, what a foot pound represents. One foot pound is the energy that a one pound object releases when falling one foot (ignoring the friction of air, which, from a very rough practical sense over very short distances, we may do for very dense objects). Thus, one can roughly consider that a gun firing with a muzzle energy of 12 ft./lbs. is about the same as dropping a 16 oz. hammer head from about 12 feet. Extend that to a 30 ft. drop for a 30 ft./lb. gun. Imagine being hit by that falling hammer head and you are doing a very crude visualization of the gun’s potential hitting strength.

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(9 April 2012, 00:14)00111001 Wrote:

(8 April 2012, 23:30)Stokey Wrote: [quote='00111001' pid='12044' dateline='1333923890']
[quote='Weyoun' pid='11927' dateline='1333876083']

I'll be keeping a motorcycle helmet put to one side. that'll take an air rifle round with out any problems. Less visibility, and you can't hear as well, but it'll definitely save a thwack to the old noggin.

I'm gonna get really boring here with my defence of air rifles, an uprated air rifle will shoot through a steel sheet let alone a motorcycle helmet :-)

The one I have will kick out 23lb/ft2 apparently. I doubt very much that'll go through a steel sheet?

A motorcycle helmet is built to withstand a huge impact. Admittedly, the surface area of the impact is greater, but the forces involved are higher.

Quote:Airgun energy generally is expressed in foot pounds. It is well worth considering, in practical terms, what a foot pound represents. One foot pound is the energy that a one pound object releases when falling one foot (ignoring the friction of air, which, from a very rough practical sense over very short distances, we may do for very dense objects). Thus, one can roughly consider that a gun firing with a muzzle energy of 12 ft./lbs. is about the same as dropping a 16 oz. hammer head from about 12 feet. Extend that to a 30 ft. drop for a 30 ft./lb. gun. Imagine being hit by that falling hammer head and you are doing a very crude visualization of the gun’s potential hitting strength.

(7 April 2012, 16:43)bigpaul Wrote: this is the very reason i have Air rifles, which dont need a FAC, so i'm not on some Plod's radar.