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RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - Hexyprep - 22 November 2012
I am a married mother of 2, I worked 45 hours a week during my first year of university across 2 jobs with a small child, I worked 30 hours a week in my second year while pregant and in hospiatl for 4 hours a week and I was off work my 3rd year as I had a newborn. I can't move across the country. I took a risk doing the degree because I am not 17 and living off mum... mortgage, kids, car. I pay for it all myself, have never had gov handouts and hope I never will have to. I do not mind that I pay this money as I knew it was a risk and I gained a lot from it... but I did it and was willing to fork out money because I hoped it would lead to a more fullfilled life. I work now. I earn a good wage. I hate my job passioantly... but I do it... I did a degree so I wouldn't have to... didn't work out... nevermind life goes on...
when you need a nurse and there is not one or a doctor or a lawyer even do you really only want it to be the rich who are those people who may not understand your point of view because they have a silver spoon in their mouthes already?
You want to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, which is what raising fees does!
Means testing would mean all the rich can go as they have always done.... but also the best of the poor can too and improve their lives. People should work hard and pay their way, but if you work hard but CAN NOT pay your way why should you not be helped. I pay tax and always have and would be happy to help a person who might benefit society study... not your media studies student... they can pay all the fees but those who would do service to the community in some way
Sorry that sounds very confusing, my computer keeps freezing and half the words and letters are typing. Hope you can read enough of it.
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - Metroyeti - 22 November 2012
(22 November 2012, 00:13)NorthernRaider Wrote:(22 November 2012, 00:08)Metroyeti Wrote: Knocked back from the army because of tattoos, other wise I would be in
Cor thats not bloody fair !!!, I'm genuinely sorry to hear that.
Cheers, it was when I tried to get into rmp, there nit offencive, just new rules and where they positioned.
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - BDG - 22 November 2012
(22 November 2012, 00:17)Hexyprep Wrote: when you need a nurse and there is not one or a doctor or a lawyer even do you really only want it to be the rich who are those people who may not understand your point of view because they have a silver spoon in their mouthes already?
You want to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, which is what raising fees does!
Means testing would mean all the rich can go as they have always done.... but also the best of the poor can too and improve their lives. People should work hard and pay their way, but if you work hard but CAN NOT pay your way why should you not be helped.
I grew up on one of the worst areas of Tyneside. As my Father was self employed, when I went to uni, who ever makes a decision about fees and such things looked at his last 4-5 years income. They said he could pay.
1. why would I want some one else to pay for me when I am an adult?
2. He made a fraction whilst I was at uni of what he made in the years before that.
As I have said, I may have grown up in a bad area, but I was always taught to make the best and have some dignity. Once everyone learns that talent and hard work get you to places that handouts and x-factor sob stories never can, we will see real improvements.
My Brother made some bad life choices. Ended up spending a few years injecting herion into himself followed by a few years in prison. He sorted his life out in jail.
With no help from anyone but himself he now works full time and is doing a degree full time.
The reason for this is because we have grit, gumption and determination. If you are poor and say to yourself
'well, I am going to get into debt going to university, best not go without a leg up'
You have written yourself off already, you do not deserve to go to university as you have shown that you have the wrong attitude.
The idea that people just would not go unless they came from a privileged background is rot. It does not hold true at the present time and it does not hold true in other countries that charge upfront fees.
Look into the research that exists why people from lower socio-economic backgrounds did not attend higher education in any numbers pre-1950's. You will see that cost is a secondary concern; the primary concern was the ideas from the socio-economic group that university education was not for them as it would benefit them little - it was the small mindedness of the group keeping it back.
Look back at the great movers and shakers, the great engineers and pioneers in the medical profession in the last 200 years. Very few of them were silver spoon people. You are just repeating socialist clap trap that has been repeated so many times people believe it to be true and indoing so perpetuating a myth.
Look at the real jumps in social mobility in the UK and you will see the jumps turn to barely a tremor from the early 20th century onwards - funnily enough a time coinciding with New Liberal policies to 'help' social mobility and the growth of a certain political party.
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - Hexyprep - 22 November 2012
I wrote a reply which was exactly perfect and exactly right however it disapeared %&*%$... 'bighting my pen and tounge, beating myself for spite'... I can't rewrite that in the time I have now, but would like to know am I capitalist or socialist? you accuse me of both.
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - BDG - 22 November 2012
I seek to accuse you of nothing. In any issue in any area people will always come across as a mixture of things.
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - NorthernRaider - 22 November 2012
(22 November 2012, 00:28)Metroyeti Wrote:(22 November 2012, 00:13)NorthernRaider Wrote:(22 November 2012, 00:08)Metroyeti Wrote: Knocked back from the army because of tattoos, other wise I would be in
Cor thats not bloody fair !!!, I'm genuinely sorry to hear that.
Cheers, it was when I tried to get into rmp, there nit offencive, just new rules and where they positioned.
Ah yes 252 Provost Company RMP, they are a bit funny about tats, but surely a field hospital or logistics unit cannt be that daft can they?
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - Metroyeti - 22 November 2012
Its just army rules unfortunatley
RE: The peasants (students) are revolting - BDG - 22 November 2012
Think the rules are the same across the services now - nothing that can be seen when you have dress uniform on.