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The thin veil of "civilised" society - Razoromero - 6 January 2014
Does anyone else ever find themselves wondering at the thin veil we live under and just how fragile it really is? You could be patiently standing in a queue for instance, people in front of and behind you, some more patient than others and you start thinking "WTSHTF all this would vanish." That person moaning behind you would now be a potential threat, possibly determined to take what you have. You'll say 'no' but will they take 'no' for an answer? You may have to defend yourself, your family and your supplies with lethal force.
How many people in that queue would turn nasty? How many of them would you have to kill to survive? What does that mean in today's reality, the fact that total strangers who are polite and nod hello to you would, in another reality, want to fight to the death to get their way?
In fact, who could you trust in a major SHTF aftermath?
It's amazing how quickly the veil could be torn away. Would it ever come back?
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - Highlander - 6 January 2014
It is the same, every human being is like that,.. you may now be a very mind mannered person, who may kill others to protect whats yours,... almost everyone is the same, its just that we have an edge and are prepared
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - bigpaul - 6 January 2014
I trust NO ONE(apart from OH) once TSHTF, that way i will be prepared for any sneaky attacks and wont be surprised when they happen.
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - Rush2112 - 6 January 2014
Everyone in the queue has the potential to turn nasty- few days without food will do that. How many would you have to kill? - hopefully none because you cant kill them all and hope to come out of it unscathed yourself. Better to avoid conflict, lay low.
I'd trust the same people post event that I do now, very few indeed.
Once the veil is removed I think it can come back with the rule of law. That's all keeping many people from acting like animals now.
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - BeardyMan - 6 January 2014
You can test this now, in relative safety.
When you're out shopping or whatnot, find a long queue and push in right at the front - see how people react...
That veil is very thin.
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - bigpaul - 6 January 2014
keep a low profile, say nowt but make a note of those in your area who are potential trouble makers Post SHTF, those are the ones you'll have to deal with when the time comes.
either that, or bug out when the time comes and leave them all behind to stew in their own juice!!
I'm under no illusions, I EXPECT people to revert to their baser levels(a lot of them are there already).
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - CharlesHarris - 6 January 2014
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - Mortblanc - 6 January 2014
Now let's see
Is the veil thing because you break line with total disregard for civilized behavior
or because of their normal desire to kick your butt for being so rude?
think about it beardy man
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - BeardyMan - 7 January 2014
(6 January 2014, 23:29)Mortblanc Wrote: Now let's see
Is the veil thing because you break line with total disregard for civilized behavior
or because of their normal desire to kick your butt for being so rude?
think about it beardy man
It's irrelevant why - it's the reaction that's important.
a normal, somewhat civilised, person would point out that there's a queue, and one should join at the back.
Cut line here and you get a mouthful of abuse straight away.
Does make shopping with the wife more interesting though
RE: The thin veil of "civilised" society - Razoromero - 7 January 2014
I heard something on the Jeremy Vine show a few weeks ago which was just crazy! People fighting one another in Tesco trying to get discounted fruit and veg! That's a pretty clear indication as to how the masses would behave in a genuine SHTF event.
I agree with the 'Trust no one' ethic but I'd like to imagine that there would be some mutual understanding among prepper types. I guess if we're prepared we wouldn't be the ones to worry about.
If we trust no one however, that would make it very hard to rebuild society. We'd have to group together eventually which would require trust.