(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: First of all, I don't get my information on this from Alex Jones, so let's dispense with the ad hominem angle here please. AJ is nutter, IMHO, albeit one with a basically decent heart.
Secondly, what's all this timeline derailment? I never said anything about a specific date / year, so why bring it up?
Without a timeline, the statement 'see you on here when what ever happens in America' is pretty unreasonable. You are leaving it so open ended you can never be wrong.
(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: Thirdly, the rhetorical question you pose about what would one do when the USG kicks doors in stateside which you back up by saying this is a site to only discuss the mitigation of survivalist issues is just pedantic claptrap mate (which I notice you seem to specialise in on this thread). I don't recall saying anything about doors being kicked in at all.
Where did I say this site was only about anything, please, show me?
With regards to pedantic claptrap - I take that as an insult. If we are not accurate in what we say, we are no where. By making such an attack, you are trying to brush over the inaccurate or ill reasoned statements you have made.
If you do not like being called out to back up what you say, perhaps what you are saying needs a lot more thinking behind it.
(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: Bottom line: a retired US Army Major General John F Curry
Would that be the John F Curry that died 40 years ago? You are good at this, you must do it often.
You are funny.
(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: has expressed grave concerns at this development which, set against the context of NDAA (aka indefinite detention without charge or trial), TSA excesses all across the USA,
Been happening for 12 years under one name or another. It is not new at all.
(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: armoured cars being delivered to police departments in unprecedented numbers, the massive gearing up of drone coverage in the continental USA,
Well, you are seeing lots of budgets cut, you will see them cut further. It really is a case of buy now or don't get later. Drone coverage goes up when costs of drones go down, as they are doing. People have said the same thing about CCTV, about satellites and doubtless about a lot of other technology.
'Unprecedented numbers' and 'massive gearing up' says nothing more than it is a new avenue people are going down. When you compare something that is new to the past, its going to look like a big jump.
(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: and the propaganda frenzy against so-called assault rifles and the Second Amendment in the wake of Sandy Hook, taken together indicate a trend.
No they do not. They indicate a possible trend. Please, tell me, in all of this propaganda, how did the Big O swing it? Did he promise Oprah she could be a princess? Does Nancy Pelowski get a pony?
(31 January 2013, 20:21)cryingfreeman Wrote: And that's a trend that anyone distrustful of an ever encroaching Big Brother government is going to find alarming and certainly not alleviated by laughable official claims about the hollow point rounds only being for training purposes, which they plainly are not normally used for.
So just because you are paranoid, it does mean they are after you? Government seeks control, it seeks to increase in size, it thinks it needs information and it thinks it has the best interests of the people at heart. It does not, that is all you need to know.
(31 January 2013, 20:45)Scythe13 Wrote: In which case, let's stop calling it HANDGUN ammo, and let's start calling it....Submachine gun ammo! Since it's useable by both, why not be educated and not sound like we're trying to derail someone else's view by using suggestive language (that's a very clever, but media based trick, and something I'm not a fan of), so why not call it 9mm ammo?
Calling it HANDGUN ammo makes it sound like it's only used in handguns.
Why not call 50cal sniper ammo? Or 7.62 AK ammo? Wait, isn't the 5.56 only used in SA80's? NO, that's retarded. So are all the other names for the standard NATO round. So why call 9mm ammo Handgun Ammo? Because it's suggestive language and is simply a way to make one side of the argument sound more plausible. Be fair and take it for how it is.
9mm is very clearly Sub-Machine-Gun-Anti-Fricking-Terrorist-ONLY-and-not-used-in-handguns-ammo hahahahaha.
Come one, enough being silly about calling it something it's not. It's 9mm, categorised by it's size, not the type of gun it's used in.
The ammo we are talking about are 9×19mm parabellum rounds. This is pistol ammo. The calibre of the round does not designate if it is pistol or long gun ammo, other characteristics - the cartridge and the propellant do. While you can get long guns that will fire handgun ammo, and the odd handgun that would fire certain long gun ammo, the terms pistol ammo / hand gun ammo are widely used in arms manufacture, sale, gun smithing, armoury within the forces and so on.
It is ammo that was designed for use in pistols. Pistol or handgun ammo generally has a muzzle velocity of around half of what a long gun or rifle ammo has. The 9×19mm Parabellum handgun round has a muzzle velocity of around 400m/s. The 9×57mm Mauser has a muzzle velocity of around 700 m/s. It is a rifle round.
Very few loads have been designed for SMG's. Most SMG's use handgun ammo - ammo that was originally designed for use in a handgun. Reason being, if you used long gun ammo, the SMG would overheat very quickly and recoil would be far too much and the larger cartridge in general would not fit with most SMG's compact size.
So, ammo designed for use in handguns is handgun ammo. Stop confusing calibre and purpose, look at the bullet length and the cartridge it sits in.
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