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[Scythe13]

Oh okay, so you're talking about the 9x19 round? The most common round, worldwide, for submachine guns?

I'll correct myself then.

The 9x19mm HANDGUN round is only used in handguns and it isn't used in the:
H&K MP5 plus all the MP5 9mm variations
Colt M4 9mm conversion kit or factory standard fitting
Steyr AUG 9mm conversion kit or factory standard fitting
Walther MPL 9mm
Gilboa 9mm
UZI 9mm
MP40 (yes the WW2 gun) 9mm

Another rep point goes to the person that can tell me, with evidence, which of the above guns DOES shoot the 9x19 round. Little trick, check them all and come back to me.

Once again, calling the 9mm a pistol/handgun ammunition is misleading and suggestive language, used by the media to drive home a single idea to get people looking at ONE point of view. I say again, it's a clever way to get your point across, but it's not accurate portrayal. Yes the 9mm is also the most common round for handguns, and was originally designed by the Germans (that might be wrong, but I remember it being called the Luger 9mm or something like that in a school project years ago). The fact it was designed for a specific purpose is not important. Again, let's look at the 50cal shall we? Is that the 50cal sniper round, or the 50cal anti-aircraft round? If we're talking about how dangerous they are to aircraft, I'm not going to call it the 50cal sniper round am I? I'll call it the 50cal anti-aircraft round. It's not correct representation of the situation.


Furthermore, I would like to add........I'm pretty sure I remember Americans shooting hollow points. So I did the one thing I know how to....send an email to a friend. He's only just replied.

Want to know what happened? One email reply later, and a heap of embarrassment....they're legal!!! WHAT?!?!? WHAT IS LEGAL?!?!?! I hear you all screaming?
The 9mm hollow point round.
You can apparently buy them from WalMart (no joke), although the 'Federal' ammo (WalMart's own brand, haha imagine it, Tesco Savers 9mm Hollow Points) is much cheaper.

I felt dumb when I said about the Geneva Convention and he replied with "Dam no son. Everyone in law enforcement evn the [insert expletive beginning with P] in NJ (I assume New Jersey) be using hollows. Were did you hear that [inset expletive starting with S]?"
Copied and pasted, with a could of obvious modifications, from my friends response.

I felt so dumb when I said about the Geneva Convention.
To everyone quoting the Geneva Convention, it turns out the Haige convention banned expanding bullets in international wars. Not the GV. Internal situations/law enforcement/civilians (except in NJ) can, and do, own, and use, them....DAILY!!!

WAIT A SECOND!!!! If they can't use those bullets in an international war, but they can use them internally......why would they be replacing the bullets used in the recent Middle East wars, if they're not using those bullets out there? HEY!!! WAIT!!!! Why would they be replacing the standard 5.56mm round used by the soldiers, for a 9mm HANDGUN/SUBMACHINE GUN round with a shorter distance, that is an ILLEGAL TO USE INTERNATIONALLY round?

Answer....make your own minds up. I've got no answers. Just the facts, and a mentality for having fun.



I'm not being a knob by the way. Just playing devils advocate again.

I'm not for or against this truth/conspiracy. I just like seeing both sides of an argument represented equally with facts. Sorry if I'm coming across as a [insert expletive] to you BDG. After all, you did say "If we are not accurate in what we say, we are no where." to CryingFreeman. I'm just being accurate....and not referring to the 9mm round as if it's ONLY used in handguns. I'm simply being accurate by stating it's use in MUCH MORE than just handguns/pistol. I know you never said it was only used in them, but you're using suggestive language.

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HAHA, just noticed my bad spelling.

Meant to say:

Copied and pasted, with a COUPLE of obvious modifications, from my friends response

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Not the GC (instead of GV)