Are they losing control or is it a ploy

[NorthernRaider]

(7 December 2011, 15:21)Skean Dhude Wrote: Perhaps but rioters getting shot with those won't just say let's go home and forget this. The grievance festers and when they go there next they go prepared or they go in small bunches.

EXACTLY, The cops get more gear the rioters et more violent, look at the Arab spring to see this exact scenario playing out. Now come back to the EU /UK and watch the protestors and campaigners get ever more agrivated and angry as the cops get ever more forceful.

You are heading for an insurrection ewither way you look at it, OR an Orwellian state and currently the only weapon on our prepper arsenal is to not be there when it goes T*** up. Move away from the cities its the only right and sensible option we have.