Cold War II?

[TOF]

I don't really know what to make of it, but the old boys down at the allotment were having a conflab on this very subject a couple of weeks ago, and are of the opinion things could turn to custard on the Eastern European territories. They were even discussing a plan of action. The article below seems to reinforce their concerns. What's the consensus here?
Batty Obama has arrived in Poland this morning pledging the support of the US to the security of Eastern Europe. More troops, ships and other military hardware are being pledged to arrive in the area.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/....html?_r=0

[Sunna]

russia has a large land army most of it still armed with old cold war stuff ,the west would win any air war quick, the russians know this.
putin wants whats his crimea , hes got it he wont push his luck in a war he will not win.

[Devonian]

But the West couldn't defeat the Taliban or the Vietnamese who were also armed with "old cold war stuff", and lets not forget the that Russia is a Nuclear State.

There would be no Victor's in any war between Russia and the West.

[Scythe13]

Wow, that is interesting news.

Moving troops over there could mean one of 3 things.

1. Nothing.
It could just be some posturing and nothing will come of it.

2. There will be a show of strength response.
This is where everyone puffs up their chests and then get bored, agree to peace, and walk away.

3. Things start to get bad and a show of action response.
This is basically where a fight starts off.


The implication for this is potentially massive! There could well just be the same as the 'invasion' of Crimea...non-event, but still filled the news with fear. It'll be interesting to see how it works out.

[Sunna]

if you had just sighned up to the biggest energy deal ever in world history would you spoil it by going to war with the west.

putins no fool he has got what he wants , he will do no more.

[Mortblanc]

Never underestimate the ability of Barack Obama to do exactly what will damage liberty the most.

Just when you think you have his next mover figured out he stabs you in the back with a different blade from a different angle.

If he were anyone else he would have been impeached and thrown in prison for treason before the end of his first term.

He and Puten planned this whole scenario back in 2011, before the last US election and firmed it up at the last Russian Election. We will not ever be allowed knowledge of their arrangement.

Never, ever forget that Obama's hatred for the "former colonial powers" has no bounds and no end. He still considers GB responsible for the alleged "torture of his grandfather". He will gladly sacrifice Poland or any other eastern European democracy in order to damage western Europe if it meets his ends.

Over here, we are still trying to find out who is on the other end of his smartphone. He is taking direct orders from someone, and it is not the population of America.

[Devonian]

(3 June 2014, 13:40)Mortblanc Wrote: Over here, we are still trying to find out who is on the other end of his smartphone. He is taking direct orders from someone, and it is not the population of America.

This is not the Illuminati again is it

[Tartar Horde]

There has to be constant fear otherwise how could the Military Industrial Complex keep sequestering huge amounts of money to defeat "the Bogey man". "War is Peace" as George Orwell reminds us in 1984. How Obama ever got the Nobel peace prize is beyond me, and a disgrace to peace activists everywhere. Killing for Peace is like Fucking for virginity.

[Mortblanc]

I do not know?

Personally I do not believe what we see happening today is due to the perfect storm of stupidity evident on the surface.

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Obama is the greatest farce ever frosted on the public in American history.

Putin does not have the sense to run the situation any better than Obama.

And everyone seems to forget that there is still an open phone line between those two offices left over from the Eisenhower administration.

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I feel that the real problem is that we have expanded NATO far beyond what it should have been with its "one for all, all for one" support structure.

One stupid move and we could all be sucked in again and be at war before we discovered is was one fool acting independently.

[CharlesHarris]

This is sabre rattling en couraged by the purveyors of the great American military-industrial complex which President Eisenhower warned us all about.

The speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
The text: http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/d...ndust.html

There must always be a Boogie Man lurking to justify defence expenditures.

If not the Russians, then Islamic terrorists or little green men in spaceships landing on the White House lawn.

It is all a scam. It always has been. Just follow the money.