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Ebola confirmed in the US!
2 October 2014, 23:09,
#11
RE: Ebola confirmed in the US!
Continuing information over here is that Mr Duncan realized he was going to get sick, lied on his flight questionnaire and hopped the first flight he could find for the US.

His intent was to get to the US and receive good medical care that might save his life, since remaining in Nigeria meant certain death.

He informed the Emergency room admitting staff that he had been exposed to Ebola and they failed to note that on his treatment forms.

At least that is the poop we are being fed.

With the CDC recommending AGAINST USING HAZMAT GEAR while treating this crisis my level of belief in anything that is being put out is now suspended.

Our government is in full CYA mode at this point since just a week ago the Big O(bama) informed us that it was not dangerous for our 4,000 troops to be in the hot zone, it was impossible for them to be exposed if minimal cautions were followed and equally impossible to bring Ebola back with them. We were also informed that there was no way on earth a carrier could get past security and into the US.

After all, they all have to fill out a form at the airport!

All you need to run any nation properly is another law and another form!
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3 October 2014, 00:51,
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RE: Ebola confirmed in the US!
(2 October 2014, 23:09)Mortblanc Wrote: Continuing information over here is that Mr Duncan realized he was going to get sick, lied on his flight questionnaire and hopped the first flight he could find for the US.

His intent was to get to the US and receive good medical care that might save his life, since remaining in Nigeria meant certain death.

That scenario sounds far more likely and scary and it should start ringing the alarm bells in every western country, as anyone in the hot zones who feel they or their family may have been exposed and who can afford a plane ticket to the US/UK/Spain/France/Italy/Germany etc etc are surely going to do the same and jump on a plane and present themselves at the first A&E/ER department they can access!!

And with 100's/1000's of new casing being confirmed each week, how many others have already, or are in the process of doing the same thing.........
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3 October 2014, 20:30,
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RE: Ebola confirmed in the US!
Another aspect that has raised its inconvenient head is the cleanup and disposal of the biohazard waste from the apartment the man was residing in while highly contagious.

This waste is so toxic that none of the local biohazard cleanup crews are licensed to transport the waste to disposal sites over the public road system.

And it was a complex of what you folks refer too as "flats", so it is connected above below and on each side to other units inhabited by more people.
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3 October 2014, 21:14, (This post was last modified: 3 October 2014, 21:17 by Barneyboy.)
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this can get very nasty fast ,if this is not dealt with properly a lot of people will get this .I think I speak for everyone when I say bugger that
thanks for keeping us all in the loop MB it is very handy to have eyes and ears in the USA .PLEASE keep up the good work pal
just read alas Babylon ,so im going to get more salt!!!!
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4 October 2014, 15:27,
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RE: Ebola confirmed in the US!
Our official reaction system and yours are very similar.

Priority #1= control panic.
priority #2= protect officials political positions
priority #3= deal with the actual disease while heaping on piles of political verbiage

More cases are being shipped back home from the hot zone for treatment. News men seem to think they are immune from infection while covering the story and several have come down with the disease even though they have had no direct contact with a victim or dead body. These cases are not being revealed to the public until after the individual has arrived and is in the hospital.

The government is requiring all reports (100%) of "Ebola like symptoms" be reported to the CDC. Problem is that ebola symptoms and flu symptoms are the same and this is the beginning of our flu season. The system will soon be swamped and useless.

OR

They will isolate all flu patients, just in case.

Can you imagine going to the doctor with the flu and finding yourself placed in an ebola isolation unit for observation???
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4 October 2014, 16:55,
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(4 October 2014, 15:27)Mortblanc Wrote: More cases are being shipped back home from the hot zone for treatment. News men seem to think they are immune from infection while covering the story and several have come down with the disease even though they have had no direct contact with a victim or dead body. These cases are not being revealed to the public until after the individual has arrived and is in the hospital.

If that is correct, then serious questions need to be asked as to how the infections occurred.

Has it mutated and become airborne or is the disease so widespread that there are infected surfaces etc that contributing to the spread of the disease?

I was under the impression that the virus doesn't survive for very long when it is outside of the body?
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4 October 2014, 17:54,
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We need only ask the simple question of why the folks in the hazmat suits have to be hosed down with chemicals, then wait a specific time period before removing the garments, and the gear scrubbed with disinfectant to have that answer?

They are treating the residence of the Duncan victim as a hot zone a week after he was removed. If the virus died in short order they should be able to go in, clean it up with a bit of bleach, hover the carpets and move another family in. Instead, the entire unit of flats is now empty.

The CDC is also warning untrained personnel against using full hazmat gear due to the risk of infection or exposure while REMOVING THE GEAR!

You want to talk about a "catch 22" situation??? You are guaranteed to be infected without the gear but you are being advised against using the gear due to risk of infection while removing the gear!!!

No wonder all the health care workers in west Africa are dead!

I do not think the disease has become "airborne", but it apparently has a longer life span outside the "host" than we are being led to believe.

We have also been told over here that the ebola virus does not mutate, which is a direct contradiction to the fact that there are already two strains, one in west Africa and one in the Congo, so the strain has already mutated at least once.

And this is the first outbreak where the virus has been active for this long. Other outbreaks were short due to killing off entire villages and depriving itself of a "host". The virus has had only a limited amount of active time for mutations to develop in the past.

My feeling is that they are being less vigilant than needed in the reaction to this situation. One does not deal with control of a pandemic by minimizing the situation and glossing things over.

And one must remember that we are in the final month of an election cycle. All of our lower house members and 1/3 of our upper House members are up for reelection. The present admin is barely holding onto any hint of legitimate power and mishandling of this event by every government agency involved is already suspect.

The "administration" (pronounced Regime) absolutely positively must keep a media lid on this situation until after that election!
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4 October 2014, 23:16, (This post was last modified: 4 October 2014, 23:20 by CharlesHarris.)
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According to the Center for Aerobiological Sciences, U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland:

(1) Ebola has an aerosol stability that is comparable to Influenza-A

(2) Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection

“Filoviruses, which are classified as Category A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses such as influenza A virus, a low infectious dose by the aerosol route (less than 10 PFU) in NHPs, and case fatality rates as high as ~90% .”

“The mode of acquisition of viral infection in index cases is usually unknown. Secondary transmission of filovirus infection is typically thought to occur by direct contact with infected persons or infected blood or tissues. There is no strong evidence of secondary transmission by the aerosol route in African filovirus outbreaks. However, aerosol transmission is thought to be possible and may occur in conditions of lower temperature and humidity which may not have been factors in outbreaks in warmer climates [13]. At the very least, the potential exists for aerosol transmission, given that virus is detected in bodily secretions, the pulmonary alveolar interstitial cells, and within lung spaces”

Its clear that when Ebola is in the air it is at least as hardy as Influenza. Its also clear that coughing and sneezing is what makes Influenza airborne; the same should be expected of Ebola.

Moreover, just as sun, heat, and humidity along the Earths’ Equatorial regions serve to ‘burn’ Influenza out of the air, the same should be expected of Ebola. The difference with Ebola is that physical contact with even the tiniest amounts of infected bodily fluid can cause infection, hence unlike flu it also readily spreads in equatorial regions. When Ebola spreads to the regions of the Earth which experience Fall and Winter Flu seasons, airborne Ebola infectious routes are to be expected in conjunction with direct contact infection.

Ebola has the capability to infect pretty much every cell in the entire human respiratory tract. Similarly, our skin offers little resistance to even the smallest amounts of Ebola. How much airborne transmission will occur will be a function of how well Ebola induces coughing and sneezing in its victims in cold weather climates. Coughing and nasal bleeding are both reported symptoms in Africa, so the worst should be expected. In that regard, co-infections with Flu, Cold, or even seasonal Allergies will readily transform Ebola victims into biowarefare factories.

Unlike Flu, a person need not inhale airborne Ebola to be infected via airborne transmission. Merely walking through an airspace (or touching the objects therein) where an Ebola victim has coughed or sneezed is potentially enough for a cold weather infection to occur. As such, all indicators are that Ebola’s potential rate of infectious spread in cold weather climates is EXPLOSIVELY greater than what is occurring in Equatorial Africa

In that regard, the government’s Filovirus Animal Nonclinical Group [FANG] is standardizing on a Airborne Ebola Infectious “challenge” of 1000 PFU that all proposed medical countermeasures must defeat in order to gain acceptance.

Given that the experts are keenly aware that most mutations lead to viral dead ends and given the ARMY’s public research documents make such a clear case that the Ebola airborne risk is here and now, the question remains: why are the experts pushing a “future mutation” fear on the public?

The primary benefits of the media mutation gambit are:

1) When the public becomes aware Ebola is airborne, the public will default to blaming a mutation rather blaming the experts for having prior knowledge of Ebola’s transmissability

2) A scary future fear makes for great immediate fund raising from a public seeking to avoid it.

3) The expert clique comes down hard on experts that do anything which is perceived to immediately raise public fear, an accurate warning to the public can immediately negatively affect a forthright expert’s budget and prestige

4) Public knowledge of imminent Public Health threats negatively affects supply chains and the logistics planned responses

The next time some expert pushes the Ebola mutation risk ask them to specify exactly what mutations would be required to do as they claim. When they refuse, ask why experts spelled out the mutation steps of Avian Influenza and why they won’t for Ebola. The answer is: Ebola can already infect pretty much every cell in the human respiratory system

Here are links to the original story

http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/201...-airborne/

The author correlates ebola to other filovirii and goes from there based on his research. His claimed Sources:

http://vet.sagepub.com/content/50/3/514.full

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1997182/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4113787/

CDC, Australian DoD & Nigerian Federal Ministry of Health State That Ebola is an Aerosol Virus & Human-to-Human Transmittable via Inhalation!

by TruthNow88, http://investmentwatchblog.com/

It seems to be a common assumption that Ebola isn’t Aerosol and can’t be transmitted via inhalation (a lot of news stories I read seem to make this assumption when talking about a story surrounding an infected person). While this is true for SOME strains of Ebola (4 out of 5), there is a strain that is Aerosol and transmittable via inhalation; the Zaire strain, which this current virus is a genetic variant of. Because of this I find that a lot of the precautions being taken, especially at airports, and in planes involving visibly sick people, really aren’t going to stand a chance for containing this virus (they seem to just let other passengers go assuming they are not also infected due to not actually touching the suspected person…). Truth is an airplane is extremely close to a “hospital environment”, which is the perfect condition for Ebola-Zaire to transmit via aerosol. For those that say that Ebola isn’t aerosol or transmittable via inhalation, please check out the follow .gov sources that blatantly say otherwise.
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Australia Group Common Control List Handbook – Volume II – V13.Ebola virus
Exposure / Infection Routes:
– Inhalation (lungs): Aerosols
Human Transmissibility:
– Yes (direct and respiratory)
Human-to human transfer usually occurs through direct contact with bodily fluids from an infected individual though aerosol transmission can occur between individuals in close proximity to one another.
http://www.defence.gov.au/deco/
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Federal Ministry of Health Abuja, Nigeria – Ebola Virus Disease Fact Sheet
How is Ebola Virus Disease spread?
6. Inhalation of contaminated air in hospital environment;
http://www.health.gov.ng/doc/Ebola%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf
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CDC defines transmission for Ebola as follows.
1 Casual contact is defined as a) being within approximately 3 feet (1 meter) or within the room or care area for a prolonged period of time (e.g., healthcare personnel, household members) while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations); or b) having direct brief contact (e.g., shaking hands) with an EVD case while not wearing recommended personal protective equipment (i.e., droplet and contact precautions–see Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations). At this time, brief interactions, such as walking by a person or moving through a hospital, do not constitute casual contact.
* Outbreak affected countries include Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Lagos, Nigeria, as of 4-August-2014
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html
Note: This was just recently updated by the CDC to include this footnote.
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It’s interesting to note that the transmission criteria given for Ebola by the CDC (recently updated) now matches the same criteria for transmission as Influenza A (seasonal flu).
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The CDC defines the transmission of Influenza as follows.
Influenza viruses are spread from person to person primarily through large-particle respiratory droplet transmission (e.g., when an infected person coughs or sneezes near a susceptible person). Transmission via large-particle droplets requires close contact between source and recipient persons, because droplets do not remain suspended in the air and generally travel only a short distance (less than or equal to 1 meter) through the air. Contact with respiratory-droplet contaminated surfaces is another possible source of transmission.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/clinical.htm
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4 October 2014, 23:46,
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RE: Ebola confirmed in the US!
There seems to be an assumption amongst preppers in the UK that yanks are stupid and don't know how to deal with this. Apologies, cousins.

The US is perfectly capable of dealing with this as well as any other country in the world, they've been a bit slow in spreading the news ( perhaps because they're such a self-contained country ), but by now it will be all over the US news networks. I doubt the same mistakes will be made again.
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5 October 2014, 01:15,
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Monitoring of Exposed Persons
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/monitor...osure.html

Guidance for Emergency Medical Services
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/interim...tates.html

Ebola Case Definition
http://www..cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/case-definition.html

Infection prevention and control
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infecti...tions.html

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