31 October 2014, 18:58
yeah, pity your 600 miles away, Dev's 20 miles up the road I see your point, might not be wise to rely on that old bridge across the river still being there WTSHTF if that's the way to your BOL eh??
(31 October 2014, 17:43)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]Dev, just thinking about your comments above, some things last, some don't, up here when they built the Tees flyover on the A19 within 7 years it was falling apart, some columns sinking, others cracked and all the bearings to roadbed sat on failed completely meaning the deck could have collapsed within only a few years. And the new entrance road to teesside park has to be replared almost every year as it keeping subsiding badly.
Both sit only a mile from the Victorian built transporter bridge and newport Bridges which only need a lick of paint
(31 October 2014, 18:35)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]Dev what I think you MAY be missing is not the vulnerability of solid great stone, concrete or steel structures standing in magnificent isolation, but the roads and rail tracks that serve them, thats the weak point, roads and rail track beds are lined by fields, trees, buildings, foliage, they are often with drains, sewers, storm drains, cable ducting etc under them. they face a continuous onslaught from play overgrowth ( Think how destructive IVY is at ruining mortar and brickwork) flooding, leaf fall, land slip, erosion, etc etc etc The bridges may last a 1000 years but without maintenance and regular traffic the roads and trackbeds will disappear.
(31 October 2014, 18:47)bigpaul Wrote: [ -> ]with no inclement weather and no storms many of these bridges MIGHT last for a long time but life isn't like that, we have lots of Atlantic storms ex hurricanes downgraded which always seem to come from a south westerly direction so hit the West of the country first every time, I am thinking of something like the flooding at Boscastle and the trees and debris that TOOK OUT that old bridge along with all the cars from the car park. then there was the flooding in Somerset and on the Thames, subsidence in Dorset(killed 2 people in a road tunnel) and the train line being washed out at Dawlish and flooded at Cowley Bridge. sure the infrastructure COULD stand for ages but it wont cos its things like weather and storms more than traffic or lack of it which will do the damage and like I said in my OP if this is AFTER TSHTF they wont be repaired so how will that alter your plans?
(31 October 2014, 18:47)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]I like this type of post, Mutual brainstorming to work out various potential outcomes really helps in making choices about Bug out Routes and even the suitability of structures in the long term
Wish we three were all sat in the pub right now to work out as many scenarios as possible, this is better than chess
(31 October 2014, 23:48)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]One thing is sure once a societal collapse occurs for what ever reason it won't take long for journey times to get longer and longer and routes more circuitous .
(31 October 2014, 23:48)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]Those lanes in the video are only really going to be useful to horses, bikes and pedestrians.
(1 November 2014, 12:04)NorthernRaider Wrote: [ -> ]I find the occasional footage from Pripyat fascinating and also that Japanese Island when film is occasionally released, the way nature reclaims land in such short periods of time is amazing, just be glad japanese knotweed is not endemic to the UK that stuff pushes through solid concrete. But I was truly fascinated to see how quickly trees started to grow almost everywhere.
Anyone remember what that creeping carpet type wed is with the small yellow flowers, it covers up the cycle tracks around here every year with a good inch of foliage?
(1 November 2014, 12:14)bigpaul Wrote: [ -> ]err "Japanese Knotweed is not endemic in the UK"?? its here in abundance NR along with Himalayan Balsam, both are taking over the countryside at a fast rate, both are I think notifyable plants and landowners can be fined for not trying to remove them, I say "try" because they are the devil to remove. they are both endemic to North Devon and spread along the river valleys.
(1 November 2014, 12:16)Devonian Wrote: [ -> ]It is a problem, but it's not endemic, and the South Wales Valleys for example have a far far bigger problem with it than we do in ND.