Definitions: or what the He!! do they think they are doing?

[Tartar Horde]

(22 April 2019, 01:34)Midnitemo Wrote: Just looked up the densities UK 708 people for every square mile, USA 87 people for every square mile , in the UK if you draw a line coast to coast passing through Preston then to the North of that line is a fair quantity of wilderness , most of Wales is good too , Devon and Cornwall are pretty good out of high season but the minute the Sun shines then getting away from the masses gets a lot more difficult , then there is the issue of getting there , in the UK if you leave a vehicle unattended in the country for any length of time (more than a day) then it probably won't be there when you return , usually towed , wrecked or stolen, getting away from it all is a far tougher proposition than you might think here in the UK.

Luckily the North Yorkshire Moors are not too far away for me. It's the only place I know in this part of the country where you can have solitude and won't hear a car etc. Not many folk really camp here because it can be brutal and very changeable, they like most "campers" prefer the "official" sites. I should be thankful because these nuggets would probably get lost, yes you can get lost because there are very few roads crossing the high moors with lots of land between them.

[bigpaul]

a couple of years ago wife and I met up with some so called "bushcraft" types, they camped on top of a "scheduled ancient monument" which is illegal, one mile from the car park, we gave up at that point.
as far as Devon is concerned the tourists tend to concentrate around the coasts in official camping and caravan sites, with toilets and shower blocks and a shop,if not a clubhouse, the only reason you see a tourist out here in the countryside is because they are lost.

[CharlesHarris]

When I want to practice bushcraft, the Dolly Sods Wilderness is an hour's drive away:

https://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/mnf/reca...ecid=12366

The 17,371 acre Dolly Sods Wilderness in the Monongahela National Forest is part of the National Wilderness Preservation System. It is located in Grant, Randolph, and Tucker Counties, West Virginia. The Dolly Sods Wilderness contains much of the Red Creek drainage and contains bog and heath eco-types, more commonly typical to southern Canada. Elevations range from 2,500 to over 4,700 feet. For more information, see Dolly Sods Wilderness Brochure, Trail Map, and Expansion Map.

Practice Leave No Trace outdoor ethics: do not build a camp within 300 feet of roads, streams and trails. Dolly Sods Wilderness has 47 miles of trails, many of which follow old railroad grades and logging roads. There are fords on some of the trails that may be a problem to cross during high water events. There may be additional small stream crossings as well.

The UXB tends to keep the city riff-raff close to the established camp sites and trails:

Beginning in August of 1943, the military used this area for mountain training for World War II. Many of the artillery and mortar shells shot into the area for practice still exist. In 1997, a highly trained crew surveyed the trail locations and known campsites for shells. They found 15, some of which were still live. All were exploded on site. Many more may exist and they are dangerous.

Since it is impossible to survey every acre of wilderness, we ask that you follow these recommendations; do not touch, move, or dig near or around the suspected ordinance, identify the area on a map or by terrain feature. On the ground, from a distance away, you can point out the location by making an arrow using rocks or sticks, or hanging a bandanna, walk away in the direction you came, and immediately call the Forest Service.