Truth

[Wildman]

truth is what each man/woman uses to govern their lives. this is used as a weapon to confuse and distort alot of peoples thinking by tptb. order out of chaos, tptb have no order with out first creating chaos. then by trickery, the sheep need a Shepard. imo. everything these days is a trick from houses bought to pensions, insurances even the food we buy for our familys! politics has set a foul example.

[Oggydoggy100]

To quilify what I posted earlier. I have not accused anyone of being a Nazi. I work in the Field of Forensic Osteology which involves exhuming Human remains from mass buriel trenches, some of this material orginates from W.W. Two sites in Germany. At present I am working on a collection of material from a mass termination of young adults in Northern Germany in 1937, as part of the Nazi's programme of exterminating individuals with precived defects. This along with numerous other actions by the Nazi's tends to focus on what this so called elite ground did. So, please tell me what have Hitler & the Nazi's ever done that was good? They used pseudo sience to advance their very warped ideology, so please excuse me if I tend to have quite a jadid view of this subject.

[NorthernRaider]

(1 December 2012, 19:32)Oggydoggy100 Wrote: To quilify what I posted earlier. I have not accused anyone of being a Nazi. I work in the Field of Forensic Osteology which involves exhuming Human remains from mass buriel trenches, some of this material orginates from W.W. Two sites in Germany. At present I am working on a collection of material from a mass termination of young adults in Northern Germany in 1937, as part of the Nazi's programme of exterminating individuals with precived defects. This along with numerous other actions by the Nazi's tends to focus on what this so called elite ground did. So, please tell me what have Hitler & the Nazi's ever done that was good? They used pseudo sience to advance their very warped ideology, so please excuse me if I tend to have quite a jadid view of this subject.

Social medicine, Autobahns, free education, fixed hyper inflation in record time, developed affordable vehicles, developed modern military doctrine (good bits and bad) that most nations adopted since including the Israelis who learned to be every bit as inhumane and savage on the battle field as their evil former oppressers were.

If you choose (and of course your free to) condemn an entire system or people for the actions of its government and its forces, then I'm sure you would agree that the same can be applied to the Islam nations trying to wipe Israel out AND Israel itself because its used / using very similar techniques that the nazis used. Rounding up pallies and putting them in ghettoes then pounding them out of existance with heavy artilary and bombs, stealing their land and homes and replacing them with jewish families, thats ethnic cleansing at least. The Slavs, Bosnians and Serbs are still trying to exterminate each other

The soviets killed more innocent people and betrayed the Plish jews but they are not condemned in the same way as the nazis.

No society is or was perfect but all also had their good points.

And YES you did very clearly imply those chaps were at least Nazis sympathisers. I point out to you my Dad was in uniform in Palestine in the late 40s early 50s and he points out the atrocties by the jews and arabs were every bit as odious as the worst of the germans, ESPECIALLY the jewish terrists of the Stern Gang , Irgun etc who murdered unarmed off duty British soldiers.
So please lose the holier than thou attitude the folks on this forum are not easily brain washed sheep.

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To me as a somewhat bitter ex serviceman with a long memory I tend to associate Israel with the cold blooded mass murder of innocent people in the Hotel King David, and the murder of the three unarmed off duty british army storemen sergeants is that a fair analogy?

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He is a post by much respected jouno John Pilger, Clearly the atrocties he records are every bit as evil as those of the Nazi government, so do we say all the Israelis are Jeewish Nazis ? I certainly would not, but some may.

History Of Israeli Terror

By John Pilger

11 September, 2003

In the news we get, only the Palestinians are described as terrorists, and yet the Israelis have a long history of terrorism - both before and since the founding of the Jewish state.

At least three Israeli Prime Ministers have been involved in campaigns of terror.

Menachem Begin was the commander of the terrorist group that blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, killing 96 people. He was Israeli Prime Minister in the '70s and '80s. He once described a massacre as "a splendid act of conquest".

Yitzak Shamir was Prime Minister until 1992. He had been a leader of a Jewish group called the Stern Gang which carried out a string of assassinations.

The present Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has long been involved in terror. In 1983, he was found indirectly, but personally, responsible for a civilian massacre by Lebanese militia in two Palestinian refugee camps. At least 800 innocent men, women and children were murdered in cold blood, most of them Palestinians, after Sharon ordered his men to allow the militiamen access to the camps.

[Wildman]

(1 December 2012, 20:23)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(1 December 2012, 19:32)Oggydoggy100 Wrote: To quilify what I posted earlier. I have not accused anyone of being a Nazi. I work in the Field of Forensic Osteology which involves exhuming Human remains from mass buriel trenches, some of this material orginates from W.W. Two sites in Germany. At present I am working on a collection of material from a mass termination of young adults in Northern Germany in 1937, as part of the Nazi's programme of exterminating individuals with precived defects. This along with numerous other actions by the Nazi's tends to focus on what this so called elite ground did. So, please tell me what have Hitler & the Nazi's ever done that was good? They used pseudo sience to advance their very warped ideology, so please excuse me if I tend to have quite a jadid view of this subject.

Social medicine, Autobahns, free education, fixed hyper inflation in record time, developed affordable vehicles, developed modern military doctrine (good bits and bad) that most nations adopted since including the Israelis who learned to be every bit as inhumane and savage on the battle field as their evil former oppressers were.

If you choose (and of course your free to) condemn an entire system or people for the actions of its government and its forces, then I'm sure you would agree that the same can be applied to the Islam nations trying to wipe Israel out AND Israel itself because its used / using very similar techniques that the nazis used. Rounding up pallies and putting them in ghettoes then pounding them out of existance with heavy artilary and bombs, stealing their land and homes and replacing them with jewish families, thats ethnic cleansing at least. The Slavs, Bosnians and Serbs are still trying to exterminate each other

The soviets killed more innocent people and betrayed the Plish jews but they are not condemned in the same way as the nazis.

No society is or was perfect but all also had their good points.

And YES you did very clearly imply those chaps were at least Nazis sympathisers. I point out to you my Dad was in uniform in Palestine in the late 40s early 50s and he points out the atrocties by the jews and arabs were every bit as odious as the worst of the germans, ESPECIALLY the jewish terrists of the Stern Gang , Irgun etc who murdered unarmed off duty British soldiers.
So please lose the holier than thou attitude the folks on this forum are not easily brain washed sheep.

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To me as a somewhat bitter ex serviceman with a long memory I tend to associate Israel with the cold blooded mass murder of innocent people in the Hotel King David, and the murder of the three unarmed off duty british army storemen sergeants is that a fair analogy?

---

He is a post by much respected jouno John Pilger, Clearly the atrocties he records are every bit as evil as those of the Nazi government, so do we say all the Israelis are Jeewish Nazis ? I certainly would not, but some may.

History Of Israeli Terror

By John Pilger

11 September, 2003

In the news we get, only the Palestinians are described as terrorists, and yet the Israelis have a long history of terrorism - both before and since the founding of the Jewish state.

At least three Israeli Prime Ministers have been involved in campaigns of terror.

Menachem Begin was the commander of the terrorist group that blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, killing 96 people. He was Israeli Prime Minister in the '70s and '80s. He once described a massacre as "a splendid act of conquest".

Yitzak Shamir was Prime Minister until 1992. He had been a leader of a Jewish group called the Stern Gang which carried out a string of assassinations.

The present Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has long been involved in terror. In 1983, he was found indirectly, but personally, responsible for a civilian massacre by Lebanese militia in two Palestinian refugee camps. At least 800 innocent men, women and children were murdered in cold blood, most of them Palestinians, after Sharon ordered his men to allow the militiamen access to the camps.

bloody hell NR, thats how you do it! well said there that man

[NorthernRaider]

I'm not trying to do anything cept keep us all on an even keel, no nation is perfect be they German, British or Israeli, Nazis, Fascists, Communinists, Socialists, Capitalists ALL had good points and bad points. But I do admit I hate the continous blather about genocide in the last 100 years being used to further Israeli political ambitions. Yes 6 million jews were murdered by the nazis, and also slavs, catholics, homosexuals, muslims, the physically and mentally handicapped, marquis, POWs, and political opponants. But I just want to point out the soviets killed over 30 million people and the Com Chis similar nightmarish numbers including jews, dissendents, POWs.

And personally I see no difference at all between the germans approach to the Warsaw Ghetto and the Israeli apprpach to Gaza

[Oggydoggy100]

(1 December 2012, 22:24)NorthernRaider Wrote: I'm not trying to do anything cept keep us all on an even keel, no nation is perfect be they German, British or Israeli, Nazis, Fascists, Communinists, Socialists, Capitalists ALL had good points and bad points. But I do admit I hate the continous blather about genocide in the last 100 years being used to further Israeli political ambitions. Yes 6 million jews were murdered by the nazis, and also slavs, catholics, homosexuals, muslims, the physically and mentally handicapped, marquis, POWs, and political opponants. But I just want to point out the soviets killed over 30 million people and the Com Chis similar nightmarish numbers including jews, dissendents, POWs.

And personally I see no difference at all between the germans approach to the Warsaw Ghetto and the Israeli apprpach to Gaza

This post clearly indicates your lack of any knowledge on this subject, how could your father be in uniform in Israel in the 50s all British forces were expelled by 48. Also, I am not condeming the Germans, just the Nazis, who were not just German, but other European nationals, including a Balkans Muslim SS Unit raised by Arafats uncle the Mufti of Jerusalem. Your perception of modern history is somewhat restrictive. It takes a little more than just reading populist history books. Personally I see no difference between war crimes at what the Nato/british forces did in bombing Serbia in 1999, Invading Iraq & what happened in N. Ireland. Dare I even mention the Mau Mau revolt, massacres in India during the 30s and 40s how the Arabs were shafted in 1917, RAF using poison gas to bomb Afgan Tribes in the early 30s, genicide in Australia in the 19th Cent. I am a political athiest,so do not have an axe to grind.
I live in Israel part of the year and do reserve service. I travel to Jordan on a regular basis where I have some very close friends. Most indiginous Jordanians are Bedu, even they don't believe Palastine exits or much care for the Palestinians. I would sugest you go visit some of the places you comment about and discover for real whats going on.

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(1 December 2012, 21:40)Wildman Wrote:

(1 December 2012, 20:23)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(1 December 2012, 19:32)Oggydoggy100 Wrote: To quilify what I posted earlier. I have not accused anyone of being a Nazi. I work in the Field of Forensic Osteology which involves exhuming Human remains from mass buriel trenches, some of this material orginates from W.W. Two sites in Germany. At present I am working on a collection of material from a mass termination of young adults in Northern Germany in 1937, as part of the Nazi's programme of exterminating individuals with precived defects. This along with numerous other actions by the Nazi's tends to focus on what this so called elite ground did. So, please tell me what have Hitler & the Nazi's ever done that was good? They used pseudo sience to advance their very warped ideology, so please excuse me if I tend to have quite a jadid view of this subject.

Social medicine, Autobahns, free education, fixed hyper inflation in record time, developed affordable vehicles, developed modern military doctrine (good bits and bad) that most nations adopted since including the Israelis who learned to be every bit as inhumane and savage on the battle field as their evil former oppressers were.

If you choose (and of course your free to) condemn an entire system or people for the actions of its government and its forces, then I'm sure you would agree that the same can be applied to the Islam nations trying to wipe Israel out AND Israel itself because its used / using very similar techniques that the nazis used. Rounding up pallies and putting them in ghettoes then pounding them out of existance with heavy artilary and bombs, stealing their land and homes and replacing them with jewish families, thats ethnic cleansing at least. The Slavs, Bosnians and Serbs are still trying to exterminate each other

The soviets killed more innocent people and betrayed the Plish jews but they are not condemned in the same way as the nazis.

No society is or was perfect but all also had their good points.

And YES you did very clearly imply those chaps were at least Nazis sympathisers. I point out to you my Dad was in uniform in Palestine in the late 40s early 50s and he points out the atrocties by the jews and arabs were every bit as odious as the worst of the germans, ESPECIALLY the jewish terrists of the Stern Gang , Irgun etc who murdered unarmed off duty British soldiers.
So please lose the holier than thou attitude the folks on this forum are not easily brain washed sheep.

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To me as a somewhat bitter ex serviceman with a long memory I tend to associate Israel with the cold blooded mass murder of innocent people in the Hotel King David, and the murder of the three unarmed off duty british army storemen sergeants is that a fair analogy?

---

He is a post by much respected jouno John Pilger, Clearly the atrocties he records are every bit as evil as those of the Nazi government, so do we say all the Israelis are Jeewish Nazis ? I certainly would not, but some may.

History Of Israeli Terror

By John Pilger

11 September, 2003

In the news we get, only the Palestinians are described as terrorists, and yet the Israelis have a long history of terrorism - both before and since the founding of the Jewish state.

At least three Israeli Prime Ministers have been involved in campaigns of terror.

Menachem Begin was the commander of the terrorist group that blew up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem in 1946, killing 96 people. He was Israeli Prime Minister in the '70s and '80s. He once described a massacre as "a splendid act of conquest".

Yitzak Shamir was Prime Minister until 1992. He had been a leader of a Jewish group called the Stern Gang which carried out a string of assassinations.

The present Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, has long been involved in terror. In 1983, he was found indirectly, but personally, responsible for a civilian massacre by Lebanese militia in two Palestinian refugee camps. At least 800 innocent men, women and children were murdered in cold blood, most of them Palestinians, after Sharon ordered his men to allow the militiamen access to the camps.

bloody hell NR, thats how you do it! well said there that man

RE: Being a bitter Ex-serviceman! Maybe if your Goverment looked after you Guys or how about this as an idea? Don't go sticking your noses in other states affairs, you'll just become bitter and twisted and warped! Thats whys it's a good idea not to trust UK Ex-services with firearms.
Most members of UK Forces appear to be economic conscripts from deprived areas, so ya not going to get the best material are you. Just feel sorry for your situation

[NorthernRaider]

(2 December 2012, 09:05)Oggydoggy100 Wrote: This post clearly indicates your lack of any knowledge on this subject, how could your father be in uniform in Israel in the 50s all British forces were expelled by 48.

Your ignorance and atogance are astounding, I did not say my dad was in Israel in the fifties but your smug arogance does not let you see facts, I said my dad was in Palestine in that period, indeed from the late 46 to 52 he was in what is now Israel, Palestine, Cyprus, Aden and Egypt.

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Thanks for convincing me that the Israelis are definately excellent apprentices of nazi doctrine, BTW you appear to have like so many others of your nation forgotten it was BRITAIN who created and helped establish Israel as it is today,and our rewards for helping get the millions of displaced jews rounded up across Europe, feeding them, helping move them, turning a blind eye ( deliberately) whilst jewish guys in the Brit forces "" snaffled"" huge amounts of vhicles, weapons, food, tools etc and "Accidentally" redirected thousands of tons of equipment to the new israeli state where its paper work got lost, In return the new Israelis bomed, shot, kidnapped and mudered like the worst of the worst in humanity, theres nothing wrong with my memory.

[Skean Dhude]

Guys, Let's keep the personal attacks out of this. This after all is a survival site and not a political site. Keep on thread and no personal attacks.

[Wildman]

ok ok, this thread was started on the idea that the truth will destroy people's illusions. the problem with that is most real survivalist's/preppers dont have any illusions! so we would be mainly be talking about those still ignorant to the horrible facts of the world and still beyond any logical and moral thinking feel they must argue the right to be able to keep their illusions. much like we have here.