internationalists pushing global ID cards.

[Kenneth Eames]

Thank you BP for finding this. There are, in my opinion, a number of other Organisations like the Bilderburgers, that we should be wary about. I didn't know that John Paul stood down and that his son has turned luke-warm about id Cards. I am glad I am an old man. All young people should take an interest in the Political arena and watch what is happening within the World. Your future is at stake. I wish that there was a really sensible Political Party to vote for, a Preppers Party would be good. Although there are many nutters in some Prepper Groups in America, there are others that are sensible and maybe something will happen there. Kenneth Eames.

[Lancsprepper]

I would rather be fined or go to prison than get an ID Card.

[Straight Shooter]

The ultermate solution is to insert a electronic tag into your body.....did you notice that all dog owners will be required by 2014 to have their dogs tagged ( by law )...penny dropped yet.....yeah you got it US next ....no need to carry any bloody thing ......then we will be well and truly f.cked...they can track you,banking,shopping,who you,r with, where you go...bye bye freedom

[Highlander]

I must admit that I have mixed feelings about ID cards,..on the one side of the coin, we have a government who already knows everything about you, certainly everything that will be on an ID card,.. hell we are numbered from birth as it is,... what can anyone think of that's not already known.

On the other side of the coin, we could say that we have security which could be well worth a lot

Soldiers are one of the very few groups of people who have practical experience of owning and useing an ID card on a permanent basics,.. and I dont think I ever came across anyone who had any views against them

[NorthernRaider]

I saw the worst excesses of ID cards in Germany during the cold war, I would not wish them on Britain, they are straight out of a socialist orwellian nightmare.

[Straight Shooter]

Thats the disguise Highlander...to make you feel safer....a good thing is how your sold the idea......you think it makes sense...yeah right

[Highlander]

No,..I said I have mixed feelings,... so I am still unsure

[Ranger]

(22 February 2013, 10:47)bigpaul Wrote: you know your in a police state when the day comes you have to carry these things on you at all times.

If you drive anything requiring a digital tachograph card nowadays then you are required to carry your tacho card at ALL times. You do not have to carry your drivers license whenever you're driving, but have to produce it at a police station within a certain period if you're stopped by the police, whereas the way the tacho laws have been framed it's an offence not to have your tacho card on you 24/7 (even on holiday within Europe). We learnt this during our drivers CPC training (another compulsory hoop to jump through) Moral of the story is: if you're stopped by the police and don't have your card on you, don't let the buggers know you're a professional driver.

[Highlander]

The thing is that all your information is already available to the authorities, so I am trying to work out what disadvantage there is to carrying an ID card.

Ok we don't carry them now,..we carry bank cards, driving licenses, library cards, Bingo cards, address books,..all these things have your personal information on,.. many of them have your photo on too.

I am a poor Postie,..I have to wear an ID with my photo on it,.. many jobs do....

If for some reason you are stopped and are not carrying anything, its a simply radio call by PC plod, and he has every detail about you within a few moments

You give your ID details when doing almost everything,... buying a house, a car, ... thousands of things

,.....how many certificates do you have .. Birth, Christening marriage, Medical

.... so what disadvantage is it if we have to carry an ID card?????????...I would like to be persuaded

[NorthernRaider]

HL you have to read and think through my reply SLOWLY and consider its implications

Well in its extreme form you can find that the burocracy will get to the point that if you have NOT got your card you wont be allowed access to stuff like healthcare, access to public buildings and public transport because the authorities use your card to record all your movements. Equally you find that to buy things like air rifles , archery gear, militaria, even bottles of calor gas or bags of fertiliser unless you produce your ID card so the state can see what things you have bought that could link you to " Terrorist or radical groups".
( all of those have been suggested in the EU by the way)

So imagine THEY deem you a RADICAL or ENEMY OF THE STATE or a CRIMINAL or a TERRORIST, OK so far, now DEFINE " terrorist" or "radical" or even a simple CRIMINAL. For example if you are a strong christian and object to say gay rights or halal meat being served in schools, and say the labour zealots deem you a bigot and a RADICAL, so they list you as a radical or extremist on the national system. Instantly your right to travel on public transport is blocked, your internet access is cut off, your no longer allowed to buy militaria or knives, guns etc, your no longer allowed into schools, social workers are dispatched to see if you are radicalising your kids / grand kids, you are banned from working in the public sector and your gun licences are revoked. the local council and police are informed automatically that your address and all who live there are radicals or known associates.

What happens if you try to buy survivalist and prepper books off Amazon US or Ebay that are flagged as being prohbited ?
What happens when you take out an online subscription to a gun magazine or radical political monthly?

Think this through slowly Sir.

Now define a CRIMINAL ? its someone the STATE decides is a known law breaker who will not live within the law, that law could be as simple as an equality law, or a law requiring you to be in a trade union ( spit) or a party member , or even the guy who travelled to London to protest again the Poll Tax, Illegal war in Iraq, Student fees etc. Your on the system and every time you swipe your ID card through a machine the burocrats / cops can read the red flags.

" I'm sorry Sir your ID card prohibits you from this swimming pool as there are children here"
" I'm sorry Sir I cannot sell you a plane ticket as you are red flagged"
" I'm sorry Sir your not allowed onto this London train until AFTER the protest march is over"
" I'm sorry Sir you are prohibited from buying those books as they are deemed radical"
" I'm sorry Sir you cannot apply for this job as you are red flagged"
" I'm sorry Sir you are prohibited from working in this sector"

Biometric ID card systems automatically assume you are guilty and should be monitored, recorded, watched and controlled by unelected civil servants, computers, cops with an IQ of 20, The council, the government, the NHS etc.

What happens when getting your third parking ticket in a year lists you as an ANTI SOCIAL RADICAL ? ( button pushed)
What happens when your cheque for Council tax gets missed and you go in arrears ( button pushed)
What happens when you order bulk batteries / 5000 air rifle pellets / 6 months supplies of food/ an NBC suit !!!! (button pushed)

Remember those folks flagged as trouble makers and fined for not sorting out their recyclable waste or refusing to pay their inflated council tax bills, dont forget Labour had no qualms about sending at least three pensioners to prison for not paying their council tax ( Flagged as criminals and radicals) Remember Labour wanting to lock up radicals, anti social elements, criminals and terror suspects for up to 3 months without charge, trial or representation ??

I think I see a light bulb flickering into life in the highlands of Scotland