BREXIT 40 billion ?

[Straight Shooter]

The latest .....tptb have offered double their original offer of 20 billion now at 40 billion amongst other stuff ....out is out ! i am all for honouring our commitments up until 2019 but not a penny more.....WE should instruct tptb ...to walk away and give them sweet FA ...we could put 40 billion to work here in the UK .....i see a day coming ...and soon when people here "surviving" in the UK will be raising up for common sense...people have had enough of politicians lies and deceit and the filling of their pockets at our expense ...even giving themselves a double figure raise in pay ...and giving nothing to any other class ........we have a budget this coming Wednesday....i would like to point out to the exchequer he has 40 billion to sweeten us all up ...in time for Christmas....so he needs to get busy....growing a descent pair of bollocks ....but i will not hold my breath .... he's to dull to have a headache ...even worse we have no better alternatives coming through ....buy more tinned SPAM ....NOW !

[Mortblanc]

With the holidays coming up someone might want this, just in case.

http://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/jole...oaf-126618

[Skean Dhude]

The £40billion is peanuts compared to what we waste on the EU processes. HS2 is estimated at £56B now and still going up and that is for a single railway line.

We should be more concerned about making deals but our gutless politicians just can't compete with these guys. Personally, I'd be happy if german cars doubled in price. We could get better deals elsewhere and encourage buying British.

It'll all workout but even if it does work out expensive It'll be worth it.

[Jonas]

Why give the EU an effen' dime?

[Straight Shooter]

Why is it ? We breed total idiots in the UK .....and then vote them into parliament to represent us ..are we bigger idiots ? NO ....the trick is to mislead your constituents first ,get yourselves into power ,once in ....tow the line until such time you learn the ropes in order to use deceite and appear honorable and selfless ....stick insect is now trying to sell us(the best deal we could get ) and begging us to except this incredible shit sandwich she has negotiated all by herself after pushing out the negotiating team she chose ,the length people will go to forsake their own country ,treason ! No less ! WHO are behind the curtain controlling these idiots ? And how many pieces of silver are these people paying up ? The EU is one cravy train of many that look after the troops of tiranny that tow their line .....the pay off for politicians is lucrative book deals,talk tours,directorship,s and membership of various made up organizations who,s soul purpose is to bring you tidings of joy ....just ask Blair of Kinock they could tell you how to raise yourself from obscurity into light but you Will loose your soul ,not that high a price of you not care to begin with ....but know this ,you never get away with anything,even if you try to rewrite history in the written from .....you will surely FAIL.

Dedicated to the people that are awake and are not going to eat no more shit.

[Straight Shooter]

Sorry about my tablet ! While i,m here there is a talk of TM,s persuasive powers , using one spider to prove her point , she holds the spider in her palm and says ...spider walk to the end of my finger and back...spider walks and comes back ...she rips two legs off....then gives the same command ....the spider makes his way there and back....the people present are amazed ! She rips off another two legs off ....then gives the command ...the spider struggles a bit but returns ...she rips off another two legs..then gives the command...the spider flops and flips then comes back....she rips off the last two legs .....and gives the command ....nothing.....gasps in the crowd ! .....she repeats the command.....nothing!.....she prods the spider ...nothing ....more gasps ring out! .....I rest my case ! She exclaims with conviction ! The spider has gone deaf !

[CharlesHarris]

Feb. 5, 2019
By George Friedman
The Instability of Britain

Brexit is less important than the increasing fragility of Britain and the British Isles.

The Brexit referendum bisected Britain. The vote was designed to demonstrate that Britain did not want to leave the European Union. In fact, had Britain’s political and business elite doubted that the referendum would result in a “remain” verdict, it’s unlikely the vote would ever have been called. But 52 percent of voters wanted to leave the EU; 48 percent wanted to stay. If 2 percent of voters had switched positions, the referendum could just as easily have gone the other way.

Britain was deeply divided, and the elites were oblivious to that division. The critical question was: Did they have any interest in the reality facing most Britons?
Well-credentialed, well-spoken opponents of Brexit were certain that those who voted to leave the EU were uneducated and incapable of understanding the consequences of their vote. Brexit opponents attempted to delegitimize the referendum’s outcome by effectively delegitimizing the democratic process: They argued that just over half of the British public was not qualified to have an opinion – effectively saying that 52 percent of Britain’s voters should have left such serious matters to their betters.

The divide that has emerged in the post-Brexit world threatens to reopen centuries-old uncertainties within the British Isles. The European Union itself was not the source of this divide, but its policies helped drive a deeper wedge.

Free trade is the main problem underpinning Brexit. EU supporters in the United Kingdom prospered under British membership in the bloc. But free trade did not benefit all Britons, and in denigrating Brexit voters, the EU stalwarts failed to acknowledge this. Brexit’s core supporters were in the industrial areas of the United Kingdom, where people had lost jobs as British companies moved their factories to other countries or as Britain could no longer compete in certain industries.

Free trade posed two vital questions in Britain. First, how long does it take to see the benefits of free trade? In the long run, it might have advantages for all nations. But if you’re 50 years old and have lost your job, you may not live long enough to reap the rewards. As John Maynard Keynes put it, “In the long run we are all dead.”
Second, who reaps the benefits of free trade? Although a country’s gross domestic product may rise, the benefits are not evenly distributed. Significant segments of society don’t share in the prosperity and may even suffer deeply while others profit. This appears to have been the reality behind the Brexit vote: Many gained from free trade, and many lost ground.

The latter lost not only economic ground. They also lost the political ability to change the course of events. EU membership created a rigidity in the political system; many rules imposed from Brussels could not be turned down by Westminster. Hence, Britain lost a great deal of sovereignty. For those prospering under the EU, this was a small price to pay. For those who saw no benefit, the loss of political power rendered them helpless.

This story has been told and told again. The contempt of upper classes for the lower classes was epidemic in Britain until around World War I; thereafter it gave way to a recognition of common citizenship. But the current telling of the story leads to a more important reality. However Brexit shakes out, Britain will remain divided and politically unstable. The bitterness of “remain” voters is striking. To them, this was not merely a policy debate but a question of who ruled Britain. If the withdrawal from the EU hurts their interests, their anger will become a fixed characteristic of the upper classes.

If, on the other hand, Parliament votes to annul the Brexit vote or calls another referendum, a different but substantial part of the British population will become embittered. Either move would signal that the purpose of the first referendum was to affirm the elites’ position on the EU, and that they will keep trying until they win. Pro-EU advocates are certain they would win a second referendum, but nothing can be certain when it comes to matters of public opinion.

Brexit, therefore, is institutionalizing a vast social divide, resurrecting the elites’ contempt for the poor and the poor’s hatred of the rich. Even if another referendum saw one side win by a 70 percent to 30 percent margin, nearly a third of the population would still be profoundly opposed to the outcome. That’s a large slice of the population to leave steeped in anger and alienation.

The British political system is in chaos. The Conservatives historically spoke for one segment of society, Labour for another. It’s no longer clear who is speaking for whom or whether their voices even matter.

Brexit, therefore, has redefined Britain’s internal dynamic at a time when the question of the British Isles is reopening. In Scotland, an extraordinary 45 percent of the population voted to leave the United Kingdom in the 2014 independence referendum. That issue, like Brexit, is not closed. More important, the ever-dangerous Irish question has resurfaced. That question had been settled for a century, but Brexit has posed threats to a tenuous peace. Although the border region has not resorted to violence (save for a couple concerning incidents), historically the relationship between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, and both their relationships to Britain, has been explosive.

So, as Britain passes through its most intense social crisis in generations, the cohesion of the British Isles is once again in question. It is not inconceivable that the Union Jack could become obsolete, and that Britain’s geography could contract to a size not seen for centuries. And if that happens, the dynamics of the Continent will change.

These are extreme and unlikely evolutions, but five years ago the kind of class contempt and hatred that has emerged in post-Brexit Britain would have been unthinkable. Perhaps the most important point is that the EU issue was the trigger. As the reality of a swelling class divide emerged in Britain, the EU made managing the situation much more difficult.

This situation is not unique to Britain. Class tension and political incoherence have become commonplace on the Continent and in the United States, as well as in Russia, where only 33 percent of people say they trust their president. In some ways, I am reminded of the interwar period of the 1920s and 1930s, when class tensions were profound. But even then, political parties in most countries were stable and predictable. The extension of the uncertainty to the political party system makes Britain’s current situation all the more unsettling.

[Skean Dhude]

Remember that the divide wasn't really that 2%. The vote was split three ways; Those that wanted to remain, those that wanted to leave and those that were too dozy and fell for project fear. We have no idea what percentage that was but we do know that Leave > Remain + pussys.

It seems that the bulk of remainers are pretty much statists and want the state to look after everything. There are still people in the USSR who miss the old Russia. Go figure.

We will be fine and imo should take up Trumps offer to be your new state.

[Pete Grey]

If we take up Trumps offer would we have “the right to bare arms” ?. If so bring it on.

But we would still have the same inept administration

[Mortblanc]

NOOOOOO!

We do not want GB as a state!

We already have a California!