The threat is [a long slow deterioration in living standards]

[bigpaul]

(15 November 2011, 12:51)NorthernRaider Wrote: But on some forums the socialist mentality appears to be popular with members on those forums .

i was once on a particular forum, who's members reckoned that once TSHTF they were going to leave where they had been (comfortably) living and go and join a group, a group mind that had already had the foresight to set up and get running a solid survival base, they werent very impressed when i said if they approached a group(especially a RURAL group) that "they didnt know, hadn't worked with or been trusted by", they would probably be greeted by loaded shotguns!

[Skvez]

@big paul
A good thread on the topic of people 'just showing up' in the country can be found here:
http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/01/10/bug...e-country/

[NorthernRaider]

Issat the same forum that would let cats into locked down survival retreats ?

(16 November 2011, 14:47)bigpaul Wrote:

(15 November 2011, 12:51)NorthernRaider Wrote: But on some forums the socialist mentality appears to be popular with members on those forums .

i was once on a particular forum, who's members reckoned that once TSHTF they were going to leave where they had been (comfortably) living and go and join a group, a group mind that had already had the foresight to set up and get running a solid survival base, they werent very impressed when i said if they approached a group(especially a RURAL group) that "they didnt know, hadn't worked with or been trusted by", they would probably be greeted by loaded shotguns!

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(16 November 2011, 15:28)Skvez Wrote: @big paul
A good thread on the topic of people 'just showing up' in the country can be found here:
http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/01/10/bug...e-country/

Yup the pretty much same opinion that I got from my friends who live on the Cimmeron Grasslands in Kansas, If you townies come a callin after the collapse the least we can offer you is a nice warm hole in the ground to bury you in. I think that same viewpoint is held by the preppers and off gridders in N Yorks, Co Durham and Northumberland
IE if you live here BEFORE the collapse you are part of the community, if you arrive here AFTER the collapse you are part of the problem.

[bigpaul]

(16 November 2011, 15:28)Skvez Wrote: @big paul
A good thread on the topic of people 'just showing up' in the country can be found here:
http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/01/10/bug...e-country/

SKVEZ, i already live in a semi rural location, on the edge of a small market town, in Northern Devon-population 1300, nearest cities 30 and 48 miles away, when TSHTF and townies think they can just come here and take over, i'm orf to my BOL's (3 so far), thats the last they'll see of me!

[iaaems]

It could be said that "the long slow deterioration in living standards" really got underway in 2008 and that we are, at the moment, experiencing 'an event'.
My family unit has its choices made for it by age, medical conditions, static income (at best). We will have remain as alert to possibilities as we are able, try to absorb newer thought processes and adapt with what we already know and can do.
As things stand just now 'staying put' is our best option - making the place more secure where we can - building up supplies when the finances allow and generally keeping a low profile.
I have to thank all the contributors to this forum and the associated site for their thoughts as shared because this has enabled me to get to grips with things and get a more focussed perspective of where my family are right now and what the future holds if I do not do what needs to be done. Better to be prepared for something that might not happen than to be up the proverbial creek minus the paddle.
Best wishes to you all - keep the thoughts flowing.

[NorthernRaider]

iaaems

RE: The threat is [a long slow deterioration in living standards]
It could be said that "the long slow deterioration in living standards" really got underway in 2008 and that we are, at the moment, experiencing 'an event'


For me I believe it started in 1997 when Labour came to office, as soon as they got power they scrapped mortgage tax relief, married mans tax allowance, raided our pensions schemes, sold of the nations gold reserves at a quarter of their value, started pushing up fuel duty and let council tax rises go mad.

[Kenneth Eames]

Northern Raider you are correct the rot started in 1997 when Tony Blair came to power. Since that time my finances took a downward path. Thank God, I had the sense to see what was happening at that time. All of my preperations today are for the future. Every penny I am able to obtain is spent on prepping. Kenneth Eames.

[NorthernRaider]

(18 November 2011, 05:51)Kenneth Eames Wrote: Northern Raider you are correct the rot started in 1997 when Tony Blair came to power. Since that time my finances took a downward path. Thank God, I had the sense to see what was happening at that time. All of my preperations today are for the future. Every penny I am able to obtain is spent on prepping. Kenneth Eames.

Me too Kenneth, I spent as much time as I can when shopping looking for stuff that is VAT free, EG I no longer buy processed foods only the basic ingedients, its saves me money AND improves my dietry health. Then for example buying vehicles or tools etc I'll alway go for second hand stuff that is VAT free rather than buy new, When I have to replace the BO VAN I will buy a used MINIBUS not a panel van. No VAT on minibuses. I would rather see the parasitic welfare state scrapped and income tax cut to 10% which would be much fairer.

[iaaems]

NR and KE.
I have to agree with what you say, it would seem that the facts are indisputable. My reference to 2008 was somewhat personal insofar as it represents a 'tipping point' for my family in many ways.
The present bunch of 'politicians' inherited a real mess in this country. Depending how optimistic you are it would appear that some progress is being made but the real power brokers are pulling levers and pressing buttons which will make this activity a long and drawn out affair.
Right now my options are limted to think independent and be prepared.

[NorthernRaider]

I'm not optomistic at all when it comes to the global economy, The only optomistic bit in my life is Prepping is thriving and growing as more people see what is going on in the big bad world.

Yesterday the global economy cake once had enough ingredients to make enough jobs and wealth to keep most people with some prospects of betterment,the only wasted or spoiled ingredients was the much lesser drain the welfare state had on the cake mix.

Today there is simply not enough ingredients left to go in the cake to support everyone relying on it for a fututre, and the wasted spoiled ingredients have grown massivly. We in the UK need either a war to reduce the population, or we must pass a law insisting that 60% of all products sold in the UK must be British made. Neither is likely to happen so the rot will continue.