Knowledge,Skills,information will be Vital

[DorsetGeezer]

I will be up front with you. Due to money,living in small rented house and a spouse who does not agree with prepping or any possible disaster...I have done or have not been able to do very much prepping since I got interested in it over the last several months.

However during my research and thinking.....it crossed my mind that in the even of a wide spread disaster, of which most of them man made or Mother Nature giving the Human Race a good kicking because she is fed up with them, which ever it will be or may be.....what will be left?

Consider this (you may have already I don't doubt) When INFRASTRUCTURE completely breaks down to the point of re building will be up to anyone who are left, who can do what?

What? Are you on about you say? Well what happens at the moment when you want water,Gas,Fuel,Food,Supplies,services.skills,jobs done, things mad,things repaired? You either flick a switch,lever,push a button, pick up a phone ask a tradesman, repair guy/gal, call the police,ambulance,doctor. When you want to know how to do something you either call someone or these dasy just GOOGLE it don't you?

Consider this...bare in mind what MAN has accomplished in the last 2 centuries (longer for some parts of the world?

Ok how about this...When something is designed and manufactured how many people and places are involved? 10-100 that's how many, from the idea to the designers to the people who make the prototypes and test it, to those who research and make the moulds and parts right up to those who test perfect sell distribute it and then maintain it.

Ok so it's a year after the Great disaster and you have found yourself in a group, community if you will, of about 25 people. Even if you had 2 plumbers,an electrician, 4 builders, a nurse and a Doctor (GP) ....unless you have had the MONEY and forethought of organising a super secret shelter compound well hidden and fortified from marauders and had stocked it up not only with a years worth of food, medical supplies,drugs, tools,fuel generators, solar power panels, converters or another way of generating power, hundreds of spare parts for everything from the toilet to the taps,pipes, electrics, circuits etc etc etc......

Also most of these MODERN day versions of Doctor,Builder,Plumber,Electrician will have been trained with MODERN TOOLS and skills to use MODERN POWER TOOLS and drugs that would need replenishing by who? FROM WHERE? Ok AFTER you have exhausted every possible salvage operation and brought back parts and supplies, drugs (that like in the movies JUST SO HAPPEN to be the ones you need that will fit or work.)

What then?

Sorry I ramble on a lot, FINALLY MY POINT

KNOWLEDGE IS VITAL TO REBUILD SOCIETY LATER AND ANOTHER TYPE OF KNOWLEDGE IS NEEDED TO KEEP YOU GOING UNTIL THE NEXT GENERATIONS CAN USE THE OTHER KNOWLEDGE YOU COULD HAVE WHEN THEY HAVE THE RESOURCES TO act on the information.

BOOKS HAVE KNOWLEDGE, so if you have a nice large compound that is secure and safe where you and your group intend to stay then make a room, fill it with book shelves and fill them up with books on traditional methods
TOOL MAKING
TRADITIONAL CRAFTS
BASIC ANCIENT WATER IRRIGATION
HERBAL AND PLANTS AS MEDICINE (AND FOODS)
PHYSIO THERAPY, CHIROPRACTOR SKILLS
FIELD MEDICINE (as in improvising without modern equipment)
plants,seed,farming, small agriculture )
sewing,clothes making the traditional hand way
basket weaving, washing clothes by hand with??

the list could go on for ever (by all means what can you think of)

IF you do not have the room or you want to have the Knowledge with you as it will be useful further down the line to you AND make you a BARGAINING chip to join a group in a compound because you have this knowledge then do what I want to try and do....have a GOOD EBOOK reader that has long Battery life and low power consumption so it can be recharged by USB crank or solar power USB folding soft panels. 3,500 books and many more if you have an E reader that takes an SD card slot (Like the Nook which scored 4.9 against the KINDLE which scores 5.0 . But the Kindle does not have SD reader. So if yours brakes or fails you can not use the card to use infor IF and WHEN you found another device, android tablet,phone, e reader that takes micro SD. The Kindle can go for UP to 8 weeks reading against the Nooks 4-5, but if you have portable crank or sola charger then not such a big deal.

Think of the knowledge music video clips of how to, that you could store on SD cards or even many many micro SD cards which can be used via an adapter to go into MOST devices you may come across. They take up NO room or weight to have with you. Have them on a soft belt under your trousers loads of pockets surrounding the belt so if you were robbed, chances are they would miss them.

This Knowledge can help a group short term survive and long term rebuild teaching and learning the skills needed to rebuild and re learn.

E books are free and cost money, the trick is to find as many RELEVANT and USEFUL ones that cost little or nothing.

Without it we will become scavengers and cave dwellers starting from scratch when it comes to skills of how to make things, invent them use them, We don't want that do we? We want to be able to let our new generations to have knowledge.

just a thought, Sorry it was a long first part of a thread. (I get carried away sometimes)

Your thoughts? What book, E-book, MP3/mp4(power permitting) would you store for the future? SD/Micro SD cards are not that much to buy thankfully.

[NorthernRaider]

Book list, factual and fictional.
Northern Raider

One set for reference and planning, the other set for mental preparation of how to handle likely scenarios.

AfterLight Alex Scarrow
Aftermath, Charles Sheffield (Very Good)
After Doomsday, Poul Anderson
Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand (Hard to grasp )
Alas Babylon, Pat Frank (Truly a superb classic)
Amerikan sunset, Jennifer Ladewig (Drivel)
A Wrinkle in the skin, John Christopher (A character essay )
Black Sun, Robert Leininger Very good
Blood Crazy, Simon Clark
Crabs, Guy Smith
Comet, (The) Robert Charles Very Good
Damnation Alley, Roger Zelazny Better than the movie
Day after Tomorrow, (The) Whitley Strieber
Day by Day Armageddon J L Bourne (SUPERB BOOK )
Day By Day Armageddon Beyond Exile J L Bourne ( 2nd in series)
Day of the Triffids, John Wyndham
Death of Grass, John Christopher
Deathlands, Jack Adrian
Deluge, Fowler Wright
Deluge, Richard Doyle
Drought ,(The) JG Ballard thought provoking
Drowned world, (The) JG Ballard interesting
Down to a sunless sea, (either version) David Graham (Truly great, another classic)
Earth Abides, George R Stewart 2nd only to Alas Babylon
Earth Winter, Richard Moran
Eternity Road, Jack Mc Devitt Interesting future shock
Empire of Ice, Richard Moran
Empty World John Christopher
Famine, Graham Masterson
Flood, Richard Doyle
Freeman, (The) Jerry Ahern
Heavy Weather, Bruce Sterling
Ice, Arnold Federbush depressing
Icefire, Judith & Garfield Reeth Stevens entertaining
Ice Quake, John R Spencer
Kraken Wakes, (The) John Wyndham
Last Light Alex Scarrow
Last Ranger, (The) Craig Sargeant ( Rambo wannabe crap)
Living is Forever J Edwin Carter
Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle. (Becoming a classic)
Long voyage back, Luke Rhineheart (In the top ten of all time )
Long Loud Silence, ( The) Wilson Tucker
Last ship, (The) William Brinkley
Malevil, Robert Merle
Moonfall, Jack Mc Devitt
Night of the Triffids, Simon Clark (Good follow on from Day of the Triffids)
New Madrid Run, (The) Micheal Reisig
On the beach, Neville Shute
One Second After William R. Forstchen (will become a classic)
Out of the Ashes, ( Ashes series) William W Johnstone
Plague 99, Jean Ure
Plague of the dead (Morning Star Saga) Z A Recht
Patriots, James Wesley Rawles (A Brilliant piece of work)
Postman, (The) David Brin
Resurrection Day Brendan Dubois
Rift, (The) Walter J Williams
Savage Dawn, Robert Cole
Shiva Descending, Gregory Benford
Some will not die, Algis Budrys
Stand, (The) Stephen King
Survivors Terry Nation ( British Classic)
Survivalist, (The) series Jerry Ahern
Third Pandemic, ( The) Pierre Ouellette
This is the way the world ends, James Morrow
Thunder & Ashes (Morning Star Saga) Z A Recht
Virus, Japanese Author ( lost from my collection)
When the City stopped, Joan Phipson
Wild Shore ( The) Kim Stanley Robinson Deep stuff
World in Winter ( The) John Christopher
Year of the quiet sun, Wilson Tucker Surprisingly Good
48, James Herbert
8.4, Peter Hernon good read
28 Days Later, Alex Garland

All good stuff for making your mind more accessible to the possibilities and permutations. Most of these books are very thought provoking and make you think about some concepts you otherwise mare have overlooked.
My Favourites are ALAS BABYLON and Patriots, and Day By Day Armageddon, but One Second After is gaining in my esteem.

READING MATERIAL LIST
Factual and reference
Apocalypse Tomorrow Duncan Long 0-87947-089-5
Archery Steps to Success. Hayward / Lewis
Beneath the City Streets, Peter Laurie: 0586050558
Build the perfect survival kit 0-87349-967-0
Bug Out Scott B Williams 978-1-56975-781-9
Earth Shock Basil Booth & Frank Fitch 0-7221-1778 7
How the live Off-grid Nick Rosen 978-0-385-61127-5
Just In Case Kathy Harrison 978-1-60342-035-8
Life after doomsday Bruce D Clayton 0-87364-175-2
Outdoor Survival guide Hugh Mc Manners 0-7513-0644-4
SAS Survival guide (pocket size) John lofty Wiseman 0-00-470167-4
Surviving Doomsday C Bruce Sibley 07219-0780-6
Survival guns Mel Tappan
Tappan on Survival Mel Tappan 0-916172-04-x
The Coming Global Superstorm Bell and Strieber 0-7434-0888-8
The Survivalists Patrick Rivers 0-413-31650-5
The Nuclear Survival Handbook Barry Popkess
The Survival Retreat Ragnar Benson 0-87364-275-9
The Modern Survival Retreat Ragnar Benson 0-87364-980-x
The Survival Nurse Ragnar Benson 1-58160-075-5
Travel Vans John Speed 99920-1-158-0 (The book for building BOVs)
When Technology Fails Mathew Stein 1-57416-047-8
When All Hell Breaks Loose Cody Lundin (VERY VERY American)

[DorsetGeezer]

(29 October 2012, 17:48)NorthernRaider Wrote: Book list, factual and fictional.
Northern Raider

One set for reference and planning, the other set for mental preparation of how to handle likely scenarios.

AfterLight Alex Scarrow
Aftermath, Charles Sheffield (Very Good)
After Doomsday, Poul Anderson
Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand (Hard to grasp )
Alas Babylon, Pat Frank (Truly a superb classic)
Amerikan sunset, Jennifer Ladewig (Drivel)
A Wrinkle in the skin, John Christopher (A character essay )
Black Sun, Robert Leininger Very good
Blood Crazy, Simon Clark
Crabs, Guy Smith
Comet, (The) Robert Charles Very Good
Damnation Alley, Roger Zelazny Better than the movie
Day after Tomorrow, (The) Whitley Strieber
Day by Day Armageddon J L Bourne (SUPERB BOOK )
Day By Day Armageddon Beyond Exile J L Bourne ( 2nd in series)
Day of the Triffids, John Wyndham
Death of Grass, John Christopher
Deathlands, Jack Adrian
Deluge, Fowler Wright
Deluge, Richard Doyle
Drought ,(The) JG Ballard thought provoking
Drowned world, (The) JG Ballard interesting
Down to a sunless sea, (either version) David Graham (Truly great, another classic)
Earth Abides, George R Stewart 2nd only to Alas Babylon
Earth Winter, Richard Moran
Eternity Road, Jack Mc Devitt Interesting future shock
Empire of Ice, Richard Moran
Empty World John Christopher
Famine, Graham Masterson
Flood, Richard Doyle
Freeman, (The) Jerry Ahern
Heavy Weather, Bruce Sterling
Ice, Arnold Federbush depressing
Icefire, Judith & Garfield Reeth Stevens entertaining
Ice Quake, John R Spencer
Kraken Wakes, (The) John Wyndham
Last Light Alex Scarrow
Last Ranger, (The) Craig Sargeant ( Rambo wannabe crap)
Living is Forever J Edwin Carter
Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle. (Becoming a classic)
Long voyage back, Luke Rhineheart (In the top ten of all time )
Long Loud Silence, ( The) Wilson Tucker
Last ship, (The) William Brinkley
Malevil, Robert Merle
Moonfall, Jack Mc Devitt
Night of the Triffids, Simon Clark (Good follow on from Day of the Triffids)
New Madrid Run, (The) Micheal Reisig
On the beach, Neville Shute
One Second After William R. Forstchen (will become a classic)
Out of the Ashes, ( Ashes series) William W Johnstone
Plague 99, Jean Ure
Plague of the dead (Morning Star Saga) Z A Recht
Patriots, James Wesley Rawles (A Brilliant piece of work)
Postman, (The) David Brin
Resurrection Day Brendan Dubois
Rift, (The) Walter J Williams
Savage Dawn, Robert Cole
Shiva Descending, Gregory Benford
Some will not die, Algis Budrys
Stand, (The) Stephen King
Survivors Terry Nation ( British Classic)
Survivalist, (The) series Jerry Ahern
Third Pandemic, ( The) Pierre Ouellette
This is the way the world ends, James Morrow
Thunder & Ashes (Morning Star Saga) Z A Recht
Virus, Japanese Author ( lost from my collection)
When the City stopped, Joan Phipson
Wild Shore ( The) Kim Stanley Robinson Deep stuff
World in Winter ( The) John Christopher
Year of the quiet sun, Wilson Tucker Surprisingly Good
48, James Herbert
8.4, Peter Hernon good read
28 Days Later, Alex Garland

All good stuff for making your mind more accessible to the possibilities and permutations. Most of these books are very thought provoking and make you think about some concepts you otherwise mare have overlooked.
My Favourites are ALAS BABYLON and Patriots, and Day By Day Armageddon, but One Second After is gaining in my esteem.

READING MATERIAL LIST
Factual and reference
Apocalypse Tomorrow Duncan Long 0-87947-089-5
Archery Steps to Success. Hayward / Lewis
Beneath the City Streets, Peter Laurie: 0586050558
Build the perfect survival kit 0-87349-967-0
Bug Out Scott B Williams 978-1-56975-781-9
Earth Shock Basil Booth & Frank Fitch 0-7221-1778 7
How the live Off-grid Nick Rosen 978-0-385-61127-5
Just In Case Kathy Harrison 978-1-60342-035-8
Life after doomsday Bruce D Clayton 0-87364-175-2
Outdoor Survival guide Hugh Mc Manners 0-7513-0644-4
SAS Survival guide (pocket size) John lofty Wiseman 0-00-470167-4
Surviving Doomsday C Bruce Sibley 07219-0780-6
Survival guns Mel Tappan
Tappan on Survival Mel Tappan 0-916172-04-x
The Coming Global Superstorm Bell and Strieber 0-7434-0888-8
The Survivalists Patrick Rivers 0-413-31650-5
The Nuclear Survival Handbook Barry Popkess
The Survival Retreat Ragnar Benson 0-87364-275-9
The Modern Survival Retreat Ragnar Benson 0-87364-980-x
The Survival Nurse Ragnar Benson 1-58160-075-5
Travel Vans John Speed 99920-1-158-0 (The book for building BOVs)
When Technology Fails Mathew Stein 1-57416-047-8
When All Hell Breaks Loose Cody Lundin (VERY VERY American)

Wow, cheers Dude, that#s quite an impressive list. I will look them up EBook wise tommorw and start downloading the ones that are free or cheap to begin with....Great start...we could store thousands, and I agree for sanity having fiction and entertainment is not selfish, it can keep ones mind in check..it#s not like on an SD card there would not be enough room!

Nice one

CHEERS!!!!
:-)

[NorthernRaider]

Just updated the list

Book list, factual and fictional.
Northern Raider

One set for reference and planning, the other set for mental preparation of how to handle likely scenarios.

A Distant Eden Lloyd Tackitt (Quite good)
AfterLight Alex Scarrow
Aftermath, Charles Sheffield (Very Good)
After Doomsday, Poul Anderson
Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand (Hard to grasp )
Alas Babylon, Pat Frank (Truly a superb classic)
Amerikan sunset, Jennifer Ladewig (Drivel)
A Wrinkle in the skin, John Christopher (A character essay )
Black Sun, Robert Leininger (Very good)
Blood Crazy, Simon Clark
Crabs, Guy Smith
Comet, (The) Robert Charles (Very Good)
Damnation Alley, Roger Zelazny (Better than the movie)
Day after Tomorrow, (The) Whitley Strieber
Day by Day Armageddon J L Bourne (SUPERB BOOK )
Day By Day Armageddon Beyond Exile J L Bourne ( 2nd in series)
Day of the Triffids, John Wyndham
Death of Grass, John Christopher
Deathlands, Jack Adrian
Deluge, Fowler Wright
Deluge, Richard Doyle
Drought ,(The) JG Ballard thought provoking
Drowned world, (The) JG Ballard interesting
Down to a sunless sea, (either version) David Graham (Truly great, another classic)
Earth Abides, George R Stewart 2nd only to Alas Babylon
Earth Winter, Richard Moran
Eternity Road, Jack Mc Devitt Interesting future shock
Empire of Ice, Richard Moran
Empty World John Christopher
Famine, Graham Masterson
Flood, Richard Doyle
Freeman, (The) Jerry Ahern
Heavy Weather, Bruce Sterling
Ice, Arnold Federbush depressing
Icefire, Judith & Garfield Reeth Stevens entertaining
Ice Quake, John R Spencer
Kraken Wakes, (The) John Wyndham
Last Light Alex Scarrow
Last Ranger, (The) Craig Sargeant ( Rambo wannabe crap)
Living is Forever J Edwin Carter
Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven & Jerry Pournelle. (Becoming a classic)
Long voyage back, Luke Rhineheart (In the top ten of all time )
Long Loud Silence, ( The) Wilson Tucker
Last ship, (The) William Brinkley
Malevil, Robert Merle
Moonfall, Jack Mc Devitt
Night of the Triffids, Simon Clark (Good follow on from Day of the Triffids)
New Madrid Run, (The) Micheal Reisig
On the beach, Neville Shute
One Second After William R. Forstchen (will become a classic)
Out of the Ashes, ( Ashes series) William W Johnstone
Plague 99, Jean Ure
Plague of the dead (Morning Star Saga) Z A Recht
Patriots, James Wesley Rawles (A Brilliant piece of work)
Postman, (The) David Brin
Resurrection Day Brendan Dubois
Rift, (The) Walter J Williams
Savage Dawn, Robert Cole
Shiva Descending, Gregory Benford
Some will not die, Algis Budrys
Stand, (The) Stephen King
Survivors Terry Nation ( British Classic)
Survivors JW Rawles (Garbage)
Survivors Z A Recht ( Superb)
Survivalist, (The) series Jerry Ahern
Third Pandemic, ( The) Pierre Ouellette
This is the way the world ends, James Morrow
Thunder & Ashes (Morning Star Saga) Z A Recht
Virus, Japanese Author (Lost from my collection)
When the City stopped, Joan Phipson
Wild Shore ( The) Kim Stanley Robinson Deep stuff
World in Winter ( The) John Christopher
Year of the quiet sun, Wilson Tucker Surprisingly Good
48, James Herbert
8.4, Peter Hernon good read
28 Days Later, Alex Garland

All good stuff for making your mind more accessible to the possibilities and permutations. Most of these books are very thought provoking and make you think about some concepts you otherwise mare have overlooked.
My Favourites are ALAS BABYLON and Patriots, and Day By Day Armageddon, but One Second After is gaining in my esteem.

READING MATERIAL LIST
Factual and reference
Apocalypse Tomorrow Duncan Long 0-87947-089-5
Archery Steps to Success. Hayward / Lewis
Beneath the City Streets, Peter Laurie: 0586050558
Build the perfect survival kit 0-87349-967-0
Bug Out Scott B Williams 978-1-56975-781-9
DIY 12 Volt Solar Power Michel Daniek 978-1-85623-072-8
Earth Shock Basil Booth & Frank Fitch 0-7221-1778 7
How the live Off-grid Nick Rosen 978-0-385-61127-5
Just In Case Kathy Harrison 978-1-60342-035-8
Life after doomsday Bruce D Clayton 0-87364-175-2
Outdoor Survival guide Hugh Mc Manners 0-7513-0644-4
Overlanding Tim English
SAS Survival guide (pocket size) John lofty Wiseman 0-00-470167-4
Storing your home grown fruit & veg Paul Peacock 978-1-905862-54-2
Surviving Doomsday C Bruce Sibley 07219-0780-6
Survival guns Mel Tappan
Tappan on Survival Mel Tappan 0-916172-04-x
The Coming Global Superstorm Bell and Strieber 0-7434-0888-8
The Survivalists Patrick Rivers 0-413-31650-5
The Nuclear Survival Handbook Barry Popkess
The Survival Retreat Ragnar Benson 0-87364-275-9
The Modern Survival Retreat Ragnar Benson 0-87364-980-x
The Survival Nurse Ragnar Benson 1-58160-075-5
The Tracking Handbook E & P McGee 1-905546-61-0
Travel Vans John Speed 99920-1-158-0 (The book for building BOVs)
When Technology Fails Mathew Stein 1-57416-047-8
When All Hell Breaks Loose Cody Lundin (VERY VERY American)

[Skean Dhude]

Already working on it. I have thousands of books. Buy them whenever I can and there are hundreds of thousands in soft format.