THE CASE FOR DIESEL ( Repost in response to SD comment)

[NorthernRaider]

I'm reposting this in response to SD raising the issue of fuel shortages and the asociated anarchy and panic that goes with it on Spandexs IA Drill thread.

THE CASE FOR DIESEL
© NR2012 v2

Yes I know there are far more people driving Cars, Vans, SUVs’s , Pickups, 4X4’s etc with petrol (gasoline) powered engines than there are driving similar vehicles running Diesel engines, But hang on a moment is that a good thing for us claiming to be switched on survivalists?

Some points I think need chewing over by the preparedness communities especially those with retreats, homesteads, secure homes and bug out plans.

If (or more likely when) TSHTF and fuel availability & storage becomes a major issue what will society in general start doing?

Let’s accept that most of us already keep our vehicles topped off most of the time and also keep a few gallons of fuel stored for “The Day” but nearly all of us must admit that overall we have not got enough fuel cached to get by with.

Question? What is the general public going to do as soon as finding fuel supplies become difficult?

Answer, yes they are going to form huge queues at almost every petrol (gas) station they can, the rest of this tale you already know, huge queues, long waits, rationing, violence, riots, people getting killed for a gallon of fuel. The public will go berserk in next to no time at all. Also we cannot ignore the massive reduction of the number of fuel stations in the UK over 75% of all UK fuel stations have closed since 1970 and its getting worse this allows the state to have an easier job at controlling the availability of fuel to the public. Also note the number of oil and petrol refineries has also been dramatically cut in recent years.
(This scenario came 100% spot on accurate during the 2005 hurricane season in the US and in the Superstorm Sandy that hit New York state in 2012)

So what are the big boys and the prepared people doing?

What do the Railways (Railroads), Truckers, Maritime trade, leisure boats use as fuel? What do farmers choose as fuel for their tractors, ploughs, etc? What do the military choose to power their vehicles?

Diesel, Yes Diesel, This fuel is found almost everywhere a survivalist would choose to look. It’s safer to handle and store than petrol, it’s got a better shelf life untreated than petrol and it’s used to power most of our commerce.


Next time you are out and about take a look around and try to identify places you could ‘Source’ petrol (gas) and diesel. Petrol in general is only available at fuel stations and in other petrol powered vehicles (cars, lawn mowers and jet skis?).It’s only found in fairly small quantities as well. If you are lucky you will be able to fill your vehicle and a few jerry cans from a retail source before government restrictions or shortages become an issue.


But look at places you can find diesel in an emergency and in what quantities? Trucks alone have tanks that carry many hundreds of gallons of diesel, truck stops hold huge amounts in comparison to petrol stations. Look at your local railroad locomotive, even the smallest carry 1500 gallons of diesel whilst the mainline locos can carry as much as 6000 gallons.

Also in recent years modern diesel engines have advanced technologically, to a point that the power issues that traditionally separated diesel vehicles from petrol (gas) powered vehicles has been eroded. So that unless you are into sports cars a turbo diesel can and will match your gasoline powered car in everything except the 0-60 MPH stakes, plus modern diesels are still more economical than petrol engines.

Then of course when it comes to the reliability and vulnerability aspects of comparing the two types of engine diesel wins hands down.

I am also advised that certain types of heating oil can be used to run a diesel engine. Certainly after the lessons learned from Hurricane Katrina you need to carry enough fuel to travel 3x the distance to your retreat, this allows for diversions and long periods of very slow driving in heavy traffic.

So in closing if you have a rural retreat or bug out plans and you believe that sourcing fuel is going to be a major issue common sense directs you to choose the good old compression ignition engine.

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And of course in reality everything goes tits up as per my own case where money has driven me to driven a small petrol engined vehicle, So now I have to cached more treated but volatile petrol than I did diesel!!!

[Steve]

200 litre red diesel barrels are available, no questions asked.

[uks]

My VW Scirocco will pee pee over a lot of petrol cars.

[bigpaul]

if TS DOES HTF no fuel stocks will last long, we'll all be walking fairly soon after the collapse.

[Skean Dhude]

Many diesel engines will also run of veg oil without modifications. It's only our low tolerance systems that are more fussy. Mr Diesel actually made his engine for rape oil.

[Franc]

i thought it was palm oil.

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or was it peanut, something like that.

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hey thats a thought, will a bio diesel engine run on coffee nuts, and would i survive if someone found me converting coffee nuts, into bio diesel??????

[bigpaul]

this conversation has been had over and over again, even if we could find a never ending supply of fuel POST SHTF...doubtful...the roads will not be driveable for long without the repair gangs to fix all the potholes and cracks and clean out the gullies and remove all the fallen trees and all of the rest of the stuff that will happen in a post collapse environment. give it 1 bad winter with howling gales and ice and snow followed by flooding none of us will be driving ANYWHERE even if we had the fuel!

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there is a report in the MAIL online that says the councils cant fix all the potholes and cracks in the roads NOW, just imagine what it will be like in a post collapse environment!

[Skean Dhude]

Franc,

You are right. It was peanut oil. I meant to be more generic but there you go.

BP,

Without heavy traffic there will be less potholes. These 18 wheelers do a lot more damage than cars and fallen trees are reserved for out of the way roads. Where you could do your own work like they do in the US.

It will be a while before the roads become unusable.

[bigpaul]

[quote='Skean Dhude' pid='62244' dateline='1371653577)

It will be a while before the roads become unusable.
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yeah, that's what most people think! boy are they in for a shock! we see the road gangs here all the time, cleaning out the gutters, patching the roads, removing trees after the storms.if we didn't have people cutting the verges and cutting back the hedgerows it wouldn't be long before we couldn't WALK down the road never mind drive, it'd all meet in the middle! there are people who think the countryside manages itself, seems they think the same about the roads too!

[Skean Dhude]

I look out the window. I've been here since 1981 and I've never seen anyone doing anything to the road bar dig it up for telcoms, gas, electrickery and to install new lights. The road part has no heavy traffic at all and is fine. It's the pavements that a patchquilt.

I've never had a tree blocking it, had some branches when someone was taking waste to the tip but that was soon moved.

I'm comfortable that I will run out of fuel or have an irrepairable car before I lose the roads.