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Primitive Survival Skills
7 November 2013, 20:00,
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Primitive Survival Skills
Been looking into the Native American survival skills thing a lot recently (stupid Tomahawk catalyst!!!) and have been buying and reading books, reading articles online, and a copious number of google searches.

A lot of the links are from survivalist boards, but there is much more available.

This is a collection of what I've found and thought to be useful, and some that I'm still reading, or is on it's way over here.

If you don't like the Native American skills route, think it's not applicable to the UK, or whatever, please don't post. I'd like this thread to be very much a bunch of links, tests, trials & errors, and a basic information bundle, for native American skills.

I hope you enjoy.

http://www.greatdreams.com/native/nativehsg.htm

http://www.aaanativearts.com/

http://www.shelterpub.com/_shelter/www_teepee.html

http://nativetech.org

http://www.native-languages.org

http://www.primitiveskillslinks.com


Books:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Tracker-Tom/...wn+tracker

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Browns-Wildernes...wn+tracker

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Browns-Field-Gui...wn+tracker
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7 November 2013, 20:36,
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Another site I like a great deal, with a North American emphasis on bushcraft, edible plants, etc. is:

http://bigpigoutdoors.net/home.html

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8 November 2013, 10:43,
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I have an early hardback copy of Horace Kephart's "Camping and Woodcraft"...at one point this was the ONLY book I owned(bedsit days), this guy lived amongst the native Americans and adopted a lot of their ways of doing things.
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8 November 2013, 12:45,
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(8 November 2013, 10:43)bigpaul Wrote: I have an early hardback copy of Horace Kephart's "Camping and Woodcraft"...at one point this was the ONLY book I owned(bedsit days), this guy lived amongst the native Americans and adopted a lot of their ways of doing things.

is it this one BP?

https://ia700502.us.archive.org/19/items...00keph.pdf
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8 November 2013, 12:56,
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sorry IKE, my anti virus programme dosent like that one! you can find it on Amazon, new and used prices, it was originally printed in 1917my copy is 1974 and I think its been reprinted many times since.
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8 November 2013, 16:04, (This post was last modified: 8 November 2013, 16:05 by Mortblanc.)
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Wooah fellas!

You are totally glamorizing and mystifying the "Native American", which has become the trend over the decades.

The average Scottish cattle rustler of the 16th Century would have had most of the same skill set as any American Indian, plus some metal working skills, which is why one group overwhelmed the other. Most of those early pioneers were fresh off the boat from Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and Germany. They walked into the wilderness with the knowledge they brought with them, added a bit of the local skill set and used all of it to stay alive.

Personally, in a survival setting, I would prefer to emulate the winners of that contest between Indians and settlers, not the losers!

There was also no uniform Native American culture or skill set. They were thousands of separate warring tribes scattered over the diverse climates of North America, each group doing what was necessary to remain alive in their own areas. People are still doing the same thing except many are white, fresh out of college and equipped with Bic lighters, outboard motors on their canoes, much better camping gear and the most modern firearms.

Kephart lived among the people of the southern Appellation Mountains in the early 1900s. Those people had only a remote connection to any "Indians" and were living the exact same lifestyle as all the other people in that area. The "Cherokee" of that area are not recognized as official members of the tribe, just hill country people like everyone else in the area.

It is a little known fact that from 1836 onward it was not legal to be a Native American and reside east of the Mississippi River without specific government permission. Some people claimed to be "Indians", but they were not.

Rural lifestyle, bad roads and isolation were the common state of being in the southern hill country. It is the way my grandfather and thousands of others grew up and was really not a special deal.

Dig a little deeper into the Kephart story. He was a librarian that abandoned wife and children to run off to the woods (ROTTW as we call it) and write articles for the outdoor magazines of the day, but not too far into the woods. When he got tired of the "wilderness life" he would jump into his automobile and run to town and check into a hotel to type up his notes and mail them in and keep the cash flow moving. He was a severe alcoholic and some say he developed his fondness for the southern hill people because of their good quality moonshine (we were in our prohibition era then, alcohol was illegal). He finally died an early death when he crashed his Ford into a tree while drunk.

He also made lots of enemies in those hills! His work led to the government seizure of large tracks of private land from both large and small holders for the "preservation of the wilderness". The large national parks and wilderness areas of the southern U.S. highlands are formed from his efforts. The government actually went in and removed all traces of civilization to give the area the illusion of untouched wilderness! Millions enjoy those parks today, but the people that lost their land to the efforts were "resentful" to say the least.

He was so disliked in some circles that he went armed to the teeth at all times. Almost every camp scene shows him carrying or near firearms of the most modern type for his day. They were not for protection against wild beasts! He was especially fond of semiautomatic rifles and shotguns and habitually carried a revolver in a shoulder holster. One of the traits of those isolated hill people is that they will kill you and bury you in a laurel covered ravine in short order.

He put together a good book, but so did Nesmuck, and Townsend Wheeland and many others of that era, and Nesmuck's work mirrors theirs.

Those writers were all "outdoorsmen", and they were writing about the outdoors as a recreational activity. They were not preppers or survivalists as we view the modern trends. The people living in the cabins around them were the survivalists and preppers. But back then they were simply normal people doing what everyone did to stay alive. The writer's version of outdoor life was often collected and written about from stationary base camps or crude shacks rented from the locals and within sight of a house or road.

But it is a beautiful land.

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8 November 2013, 18:08,
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certainly is a wonderful land.
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9 November 2013, 00:07,
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I get where you're coming from with this MB.

I agree that those that dominated had guns, illness, and armour. In no way shape or form am I going to try and romanticise how the NA lived. I admire and respect their 'closeness to nature' but also understand that there are better ways to do it.

I'd rather rip the insulation from a car seat, for keeping me warm, than a load of leaves and debris. But if you can survive how they did, then being able to survive with a greater knowledge base AND their skill set, provides me with that little extra feeling of security.

As for the adventure writers and the alike...although they might not have been nice people by abandoning their families and turning to the bottle, that no less discounts their work, so I agree with you on that. So I'd rather get a different book than Kephart's, because I'm not cool with how he behaved, thanks for the info on that MB. I'm sure the info he wrote was, and still is, very helpful, but I'm not a fan of having the books of a guy like that on my shelf. Possibly biting off my nose to spite my face with that. But as you know (and disagree with my choice) I'm a Tom Brown Jr fan, so will be using many of his books as a basis for skill learning.

I can't really find much on the old fashioned UK Primitive Survival skills side of things. Many will be transferable, so I'm using what resources are close at hand to boost my learning curve.
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9 November 2013, 11:09,
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i'm not interested in the life story of ANY author, i am interested in the information that is on the pages of the book, that's why i buy any book, for the information contained within.
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