Time for AU and AG

[The Local Ned]

All good and valid points TL.
Very well put also.

I concur - timing and context are key to the levels of violence we will see , also - a good point regarding ammunition and its likelihood of being universally available.

Weapons and ammo availability ?
Weapons are very very easy to disable and very easy to jam if incorrectly looked after too.
These are valid points you bring up , there will be very few armourers around with the skill and knowledge to repair firearms.
Weapons will degrade through time unless well looked after , as will the ammunition if stored incorrectly , and the availability will decrease as time wears on too...but its those first few years that has me worried.

- Forgive me TL if these posts have come across as any form of personal disagreement with your views, they are not , I agree 100% with you on a lot of the points we discussed ,and as usual I am trying to play devils advocate here , I only seem to see posts suggesting a pacific though hard existence after the event , rather than the total carnage which I think will happen for a period of time - I am guesstimating that ammo sources will either be totally depleted very quickly unless the users are switched on to the fact that their wont be much going around for long , in which case it will only be used as a final solution.

I believe that your long-term views on PSHTF are entirely correct - in that context
Regarding timeframes , yes you are correct in assuming I meant regional or national leaders emerging and local government being re-established in some form or another...although certain areas will no doubt have their own warrior based leaderships springing up too within the first few years.
As you have said - these will be forged with codes of conduct / rules of engagement , and anyone outside of them will then be seen as outlaws.

I will end by saying that I will avoid large concentrations of sheeple for as long as I can , especially if I see weapons , for the opinions I have stated , I do not want to become someones figure 11.
If I see and recognise organised groups / preppers then I may make myself known to them as the circumstances dictate.

Having said that....
My aim is to find and try and integrate with the still functioning parts of the armed forces , they will need civilians ( with mil experience ) around to carry out tasks to enable frontline troops to be tasked elsewhere.
We each have our individual views and individual areas of expertise , mines unfortunately is an armed one , I am not a great adaptor , I am not a great planner , but I think I am good at surviving.

I apologise for hijacking the thread , but to summarise - I believe:
Weapons will play a major part in deciding many of our fates come the time..more so than AU and AG ,which I think was the point I was struggling to make , we cant eat gold and silver , and neither of them will stop bullets killing us... that is why I dont think they will play a major role PSHTF for a long time , their value will equal their usefulness , and not their assumed worth at some PSHTF date.

Sorry scythe but when we mention gold and silver the vison I get in my head is of an emaciated person sitting on a chair surrounded by coins of silver and gold.
I think buying long-life or greater quantities of supplies would be a wiser use of your cash right now mate.