Are the sheeple starting to wake up?

[Barneyboy]

(4 September 2012, 15:24)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 15:19)bigpaul Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:34)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:20)bigpaul Wrote: before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

BP I can always rely on you for clear concise wisdom, the system is falling apart now, your kids owe the govt £14,000 the minute they are born, There are millions of Greek, Portugees, Spanish and other EU dependant socialists all wanting YOU to pay for their upkeep.
Here in the Uk theres 3 million on the dole another 2.5 million out of work not on the system theres millions of people all with their hands out and the cupboard is bare.

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(4 September 2012, 15:22)00111001 Wrote: I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

No body minds paying modest taxes for essential services, but essential service are not paying the unemployed or elderly or disabled, that is their FAMILIEs responsibility , we owe them a good basic state pension and zero council tax nothing more.

Look the welfare state has been in place since 1948 there is no one who has not had the change to pay NI or Tax into the system and save privately as well. Those whinging about poverty etc have pissed away most of their free money down the Labour and Workies clubs for their entire working lives, and whilst they demand and recieve free retirement bunglows and OAP homes the silly bastards who worked hard all their lives, saved and bought their own homes are told they have to sell their homes to pay for care. That is wrong and immoral.

so wot do we do with the old and ill if they have no one