Threats-People.

[Prepper1]

I understand what you mean N.R. and I'd like that to happen as well and I don't mean to offend anybody with any rant I have because its just that, a rant but in my humble opinion, what you describe with us all meeting up is way, way, down the line.

We'd have many many years of stress, fighting, and fending off feral gangs who don't want to work at growing their own and just want to steal, like in the book of ELI.

After all lazy bastards will survive, they wont all die off and like us wanting to band together so will they.

I'd love life to be as you say with us bartering with each other, but who's gonna make that journey first from say Bristol to Manchester or Manchester to Co. Durham?

Would you be prepared to leave the safety of your bol or home and leave your family possibly undefended to try and make a trade?

How are we supposed to band together anyway?

We don't have a location where we're all willing to meet post shtf

What if radio equipment is destroyed or damaged beyond repair or just may be unavailable.

How do we make contact then?

I know I cant now afford radio equipment, nor in all probability will I ever be able too.

What happens if the plan for radio contact post shtf doesn't or can't happen for whatever reason?

Have we got a backup plan for contact post shtf?

Does that mean because i have no radio I'm therefore excluded from our post shtf contact?

It seems all our plans for post shtf need radio contact to occur i.e. we call each other up and arrange a secure meetup.

What do we do if it cant happen?

COUNTRY LIVING

Please before anybody says I'm having a pop at anyone here I'm not I'm just just "shootin" the breeze, putting stuff out there for your delight and entertainment...

I understand that country living is at the moment secure or safer at any rate than living in a modern metropolis.
BUT if you think for one moment your gonna get left alone in the country post shtf your dreaming.

The u.k. is a depressingly small country. with the rate of immigration we are currently experiencing the situation is getting worse everyday.
There are few remote areas left in the u.k. such as the Scottish highlands on the tops of the Cairngorms etc..

If you live in the countryside you WILL see roving gangs looking for food and accommodation because in peoples minds countryside equals food. i.e. cows, sheep etc... and crops and warm cottages full of jovial friendly well fed fat farmers...

If you intend to stay hidden and safe after shtf you need to be invisible.

Possibly doing all by night and holing up in the day.

Imagine active combat whereby there's no fires allowed or cooking because it can be seen or smelt.

Imagine the crowds of people you'd draw from the refugee column passing your house if they smell any sort of food.

Can you eat cold food?

Do you have preps that you can eat cold if you have too?

Remember senses become acutely heightened during stress situations.

It'll only take ONE person to smell the food or see you with better stuff than them for the others to come and take what you have.

You may be left alone for a while whilst there's still food left in the cities, but don't forget we now work to the j.i.t. system.
So how long will that be for?

What happens in war zones when cities become uninhabitable?
Vast amounts of refugees roaming around looking for food and somewhere warm to live and food for them and their kids.

Are you invisible? if not can you become invisible?

I don't mean literally of course but have you planned to secure your property, to make your house look empty and uninviting?
Can people get up to your door and look through your windows or letterbox?
Can people passing by see inside?

Are you prepared for the armed gangs of thugs that may batter your door down looking for food and clean clothes?

Do you think they'll just take your word for it that you have no food or spare clothing?

After all why are you staying put in your house while they have to walk about?

Whats in your house that allows you to stay put but not them?

Why do you look so clean when there so dirty?

Why can you wash your clothes and not them?

Look at you with your wood burning stove pumping out clouds of smoke from the chimney that everyone for miles around can see.
They may not be so bothered in summer because it may be warm but what about winter, and store bought smokeless fuel wont be around for ever...

Have you thought about having a set of dirty refugee clothes for wearing in the day so you look no different from them?
or are you going to walk about in clean clothes all clean?

If you have to bug out when are you going to do it?
Have you planned for having to bug out through a column of refugees?

They'll be looking at you and what you've got, wanting a lift to where your going, they'll think you have somewhere to go, possibly with food and heat.

Road blocks.

what if early on roads are blocked by cars with no fuel?
After all people never park them neatly on the kerb if they run out of fuel, they'll just dump and go.
Can you move the cars blocking your way?

If your bov is full of your gear and your miles from your bol what are you going to do?

FAC armed people.
How are you going to handle them looking for food?
That takes things up a whole new level.

Do you have a plan for whats going to happen if a rogue copper with a family comes looking at you trying to use his Glock and his old authority to take what you have?

You'll only be protected in the country for so long.
Don't make the mistake of thinking "I'm in the country so I'm safe"

That seems to be a recurring thing on this and many other forums.

Preppers are preppers no matter where they live.

You are not a better prepper because you decided to live in the country.

Your ARE however a lucky bugger to have a better quality of life right now possibly lower in crime etc...

I myself was brought up in the Lincolnshire countryside and loved every minute of it.

I would return there now, but my family would not.

So are many in my shoes and cannot for many reasons move to the countryside or rural locations.

Does that then mean we should abandon our families in pursuit of a rural life?

What about people with jobs that are city bound?

Should they them move and claim dole to get a rural life?

Rural living may give you an advantage right now in the here and now but I think and this is only my personal opinion and not a go or dig of any kind, that some of our rurally living members are severely overestimating their safety come shtf.

Who's to say city dwellers will not tribe up and be better positioned come shtf?

After all the infrastructure that served so well before such as hospitals, operating theaters etc will still possibly be there and yes whilst we may not have electricity the facilities are there and may possibly be still useable.

Doctors may be around still as well ad mechanics etc...

So who knows wheres the better place to be, there are pro's and cons to both I can see.

Preppers are preppers no matter where they be, from the rural heartlands to the deserts or the sea, even the cities from which many will flee.
A prepper I was born and a prepper I will always be, we will band together one day you will see, together we will make the world what it was meant to be.