(4 November 2012, 23:42)NorthernRaider Wrote: (4 November 2012, 23:24)Skean Dhude Wrote: NR, To take your example of a compound bow. You don't have permission to shoot anything with it. You probably, correct me if I'm wrong, will get arrested if you carry it in the street.
You can buy any radio you want. You can't use it on certain frequencies
You can buy any bow you want you can't shoot it certain places and you can only shoot certain targets
You can buy a UV5r and a bow, use it legally now and then however you want after TSHTF.
That is what you are doing with the bow, why is it such a problem with the radio?
Bows are unlicenced and providing I'm not carrying it with an arrow nocked its actually legal, though most people carry them in cases or bags or fastened to rucksacks. UV5R is a device that is licenced by law and requires you to pay for and attend a course to operate, its also in my opiinion somewhat OTT for basic prepper needs. I feel we only need something like the CB but without the idiots, extra antenna, etc to do the job. If however new preppers wish to become outmoded dinosaurs like you and I then getting a UV5R and not bothering with the licence, just sticking with the 4 watts PMR 446 bit should suffice, Though I know our technogeeks will jump in to say 4 watts PMR is still illegal as well.
I am seeking a radio I can use NOW to its fullest capability that my group and family will be utterly familiar with, one that is LEGAL, not licenced, not full of foul mouth yobs like CB, I want to talk 10 miles line of site LEGALLY without mods, extra aerials etc so we build up a working network in advance.
Hi NR,
I was going to write that for YOU there is no legal to operate now solution that will meet your criteria.
Maybe there is a solution. Some CB manufacturers are now producing radios with CTCSS code capability. These are top end rigs and thus relatively expensive compared to entry level gear. It is VERY unlikely that the idiots of whom you complain will have invested in such technology, so if your group were to all be equipped with CTCSS enabled gear, you will probably be able to enjoy idiot-free communications ( especially if you do not mention any reference to CTCSS or the model of rigs you are using on air).
I don't recommend these radios as general prepper comms at this time as they are expensive and not in widespread use, although I presume that someone with sufficiently deep pockets might acquire one and use it with CTCSS turned off for general conns post SHTF. I'm pointing you the way on this NR, the rest of the research you'll have to do yourself.
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Comparison of legality and usefulnessof a UV5r to a compound bow.
A UV5r type radio will not get you arrested for carrying an offensive wepon, even if just tucked in a jacket pocket.
A UV5r type radio will not get you arrested for listening to any of the frequencies it it capable of.
The UV5r is NOT a complicated device. Want to see a complicated device? download the operating manual for the Yaesu VX3r or the VX-8 series.
Continuing the Compound bow comparison, how do you go about live testing the bow as a personal protection device? Are you actually allowed to hunt and kill wild animals with such a bow completely legally in the UK? i think not, but correct me if I'm wrong. All you can legally do is shoot targets. But I'm not shouting to the prepper community that such bows are toys for boys and not worth bothering with, simply because I cannot carry then with an arrow noched up and ready to fly the moment I feel threatened or the moment i get a clear shot at some unwary little creature. Although on that subject my own preps mirror BP's and use long bows on the basis of KISS.
For practising communications in a guaranteed legal manner at the current time you will have to use type approved radio gear. That means dedicated PMR446 or compliant CB gear. UV 5r vs Intek MT 5050? Get yourself a UV5r and a couple of compliant PMR446s to practice with straight away, and you'll still have change from what you'd have paid for the Intek.
Final comparison
A compound bow will potentially benfit you post SHTF but you cannot carry it and use it in the public environment today. Same goes for the UV5r
And final comment
It is possible to use the UV5r in the public environment today, as long as the user has an Amateur license. These cost 25 quid to sit and are achievable by pretty much anyone with half a brain. So again cost wise UV5r plus Ham license cost lest than an Intek MT5050.
.... and no, the radio license isn't difficult to get....I've trained successful candidates from 10 years old to 70 years old and ony ever had one person fail on me. The rest passed first go.
Is there a qualification that allows me to stride about town with arecurve bow noched up and ready to go? No, I thought not.
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