(6 November 2012, 00:46)The Local Ned Wrote: (4 November 2012, 22:57)NorthernRaider Wrote: But they are licenced so my original comment stands they are not suitable for ordinary every day preppers who want to keep a few powerful radios in a box that only need batteries to make work, They are NOT suitable for ordinary preppers and survivalists if they require people to do courses and take exams, they are ideal for radio enthuisiasts. so the UV5R is 90% of the way to doing what basic preppers want, We just need a licence free version now.
Mon ami I dont need to do a course to own a compound bow, I dont need permission to carry a multi tool, and preppers already have more than enough on their plates without faffing about with Ham licences. But credit where credit is due the UV5R and the 50 50 appear to offer far more to preppers than 27fm CB
1. I must have posted one lot of shite on the comms forums recently then as I thought most of those querys were dealt with.
2. I own and operate a Baofeng UV-5R , and a Baofeng BF888-S , I 've already posted details of how the UV-5R handset operates and the results I've achieved with it.
3.I am not a fkn rocket scientist , and have sat NO exams to use this radio on anything other than 446Mhz , but it hasn't stopped me trying.
4.When TSHTF it wont matter one teeny weeny bit if I have a licence or not - I WILL have a radio thats EASY to use, on local repeaters that are powered off grid , and that are capable of communicating with fkn Cumbria , just like I did at the weekend...with my UV-5R on 146Mhz.
NOBODY is going to come looking for you for using 4W on PMR , believe me , as its FREE to use then the likelihood of busby doing the rounds again for 446 outlaws are slim to nothing...there's no license fees to bolster it anymore = no action unless the user is making a severe nuisance of themselves.
Honestly NR - what you are asking for is a car with the performance of an F1 racer but with the fuel economy of a citroen 2cv.
Never going to happen in a free to use , unlicensed form.
Legal handhelds with a GUARANTEED 10 mile range no matter what....using only 4 watts ?
-The army would LOVE those mate.
Legal mobiles with a GUARANTEED 10 mile range no matter what....be prepared for an 8ft antenna.
-It's called amateur radio.
We used clansman 349s and 351s in Belfast , the 351 ( 4W ) sometimes struggled to get from one SF base to another a few miles up the road , but the 349 was perfect for knocking about the streets with and you could contact another brick a few hundred yards away no bother on a 1/4 watt.
Horses for courses as I've mentioned before.
We've had the big radio debate , we posted up our findings.
THERE'S NO easily attainable HOLY GRAIL IN RADIO COMMS.
If you want comms with decent range, then you need to put a bit of time and effort into learning about radio and how to use them more effectively.
You DONT GET ADVANCED SOLUTIONS out the box , at least not one a novice can pick up and use , this should be obvious by now.
I was going to put up another small post regarding my latest results with the UV-5R , and a comparison with the BF888-S and my thoughts on that handset.
I wont bother now - as its already been mentioned , we're going round in circles - despite the time and effort being put in by people - who had already told everyone that would listen , that standardising radio equipment for our prepper groups was a non-starter to begin with. and that a better solution was to agree on a frequencyon a band ( or a certain channel ) that we could use to try and contact each other if or when the situation arose.
TLN down and clear.
Thanks for your comments on the trusty Clansman TLN
Inadverently I fear that onlookers will have beed disuaded from radio coms because of some of the comments made on here.
Using the Clansman VHF gear as yardsticks for realistic radio performance expectation, i did a little research to compare the units you mentioned to current commercial gear in the table below
Comparison: portable Military gear to current Commercial gear.
Clansman PRC 349 VHF FM 3kg 0.25w Max Range 1 mile
Clansman PRC 351 VHF FM 7.5kg 4w Max Range 6 miles
Baofeng UV5r VHF+UHF FM 0,2 Kg 5w / 4 w Max range 6 miles
Intek H520 CB ( HF) FM 0,9Kg 4.5w Max range 6 miles
Conclusion: Portable equipment is generally limited to 6 miles range, unless geography is very favorable.
The commercial gear, one Dual Band VHF / UHF wankie talkie and and one Portable CB unit perform just as well as the better of the two army portable radios, but weigh a damned sight less. Addressing the complaint thatthe CB unit eats batteries, I'd be able to lug a small 12v accumulator around with me and still have lighter kit than the military gear!
We have to be realistic about waht radio coms can do, especially when we're talking of portable equipment. If anyone's interested in how one of compared low cost commercial units can be beefed up to be truely field portable and achieve maximum reliable range, look at TLN's excellent article on the main site.
OOps any one spot the typo!!
Walkie Talkie
Thought I'd better correct tha quickly!
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