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(30 April 2013, 11:10)bigpaul Wrote: i'm quite surprised at how many people say they will be dead within the time frame....for a minute there i thought i was back on UKP!

It is not a fatalistic view, it is accepting reality in each individual situation.

Many of the people here are on long term life sustain medications, and no, there are no "natural herbal remedies" that will take their place.

"Back in the day" of preindustrial society, right up to 1950, the life expectancy was 56. Post SHTF life expectancy will instantly revert to that number, or perhaps lower.

That "first heart attack" that men have in their late 40s early 50s that now gets angioplasty and a couple of pills for the rest of your life will kill unmediated victims.

Women, without modern medicine and birth control, and often losing the "control over their choices" they now have, will revert to more births per lifetime, increasing the chance of complications, and will revert to 1/10 dying in childbirth. In my area 1/4 of the births are C-section!

The 10%-15% of the population that are diabetic will die in the first year. Same for the glutin intolerant, and those allergic to everything, and anyone that would have/should have died from whatever ails them. And oddly enough, many of the "superfit" will die due to having no body fat reserves to draw on in hard times.

And no one can predetermine if they will be the lucky ones or not.

In my own case, I had a heart attack 10 years ago. I have been on blood pressure meds for that entire time. Without them I am in severe and incapacitating pain 24 hours after taking the last pill. Within days of going off the meds I will have another heart attack. It is as simple and realistic as that. I have about a year supply of meds, so that is my life expectancy after any TEOTWAWKI event.

No fatalism, no giving up, simply accepting the cards that have been dealt and being thankful for the past ten years that I would not have had in another point in human history.