TEOTWAWKI further down the track.

[John]

Anyone ever read I Pencil, Google will find it.
Well worth a contemplative read.

Then see if you still think that when this society, like previous ones, has collapsed we will be able to get back to what we have today. Keep in mind we have used or nearly used all the raw materials from this finite planet of ours which is what allowed us to get where we are today.

But how do you make a pencil? Don't forget the need to mine the ore to smelt the metal to make the saw....etc. etc.

I really feel for people think that after a few years they will still still have any semblance of life as we have now. If they do they are in fantasy land. Nothing I can do about that, you will have to learn the hard way or death, which may be better.

Anyway don't all get on here, Read first, then think, then may be debate it.