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Devon and Cornwall will be inundated with refugees? Ifs, maybes, and conjecture
25 March 2014, 14:49, (This post was last modified: 25 March 2014, 15:09 by NorthernRaider.)
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RE: Devon and Cornwall will be inundated with refugees? Ifs, maybes, and conjecture
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RE: Devon and Cornwall will be inundated with refugees? Ifs, maybes, and conjecture
But what type of event do you envisage would cause circa 20M people from the South East, to still be alive, and to just up and leave everything behind, AND for the rest of the UK to be uneffected?
You (or someone else) previously mentioned a dirty bomb, but that would only affect a VERY small area and would not cause mass evacuations?
A full on nuclear attack would wipe out the popultion anyway, as would a Tsunami. Anything that is not immediately life threatening would be ignored by many.
Whilst the numbers being quoted may be correct, the scenario's are are not. I cannot see any 'realistic' reason for the whole (or even a large part) of London and the South East to be evacuated .
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Your mind appears to be a bit closed I feel, you are simply trying to ignore anything that could be inconvenient, you must be able to consider multiple threat scenarios not just the convenient ones. No one is saying ALL 20 million will up and leave, which bit can you not grasp.

Invasion, Fatal epidemic such as the deliberate release of something horrible like Ebola or Hanta virus, Invasion, Tsunami alert, Quake, Economic collapse an EMP burst, etc etc all could see cities empty, Sarajevo and many other cities emptied in weeks after the other side started slaughtering people. London ALONE cannot FEED itself, it cannot provide any FRESH WATER, it does not GENERATE any POWER it is utterly reliant on everything being imported. a major economic collapse of Mega recession will see MILLIONS migrate, not all to the SW but enough to completely overwhelm it.

NO ONE IS SAYING the rest of the country will be unaffected, we are saying the south west is right next door to the south east and the topography and geography makes it very inviting for the vast majority of refugees, its just much easier for the population of the home counties to move south east than north or west.

You for example SAY and KNOW a small improvised home made dirty bomb has limited effective range, SO DO THE TERRORISTS so its a fair assumption they will set of MANY devices across the cities, not just one. LEARN from history on 7/7 the muslim terrorist knew they could not achieve total destruction but they DID know they could compound the damage by first setting off the bombs on the tubes which drove people out of the stations and onto the buses, then the last bomber blew up the busiest bus he could find. The IRA phoned the media on more than one occasion to say they had set a bomb in section (A) of the town thus making the authorities evacuate the shoppers to section (B) of the town where the real bomb was waiting.

A full on nuclear attack would NOT wipe everyone out, nor would a tsunami.

I suggest it is YOU Sir who needs to do more research on various issues including dirty bombs.
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"Where would terrorists set off a Dirty Bomb??
My guesses would be either:
1. A Transportation Hub
2. The financial District
3. A sports Arena
4. Shopping Centre/Street
5. Tourist Attraction (Trafalgar Square??)
6. Near the Houses of Parliment
Dirty bombs does not have massive (nuclear) explosive power, conventional explosives would be used, the radiation spread is again faily limited due to the nature of the device and the type of radio active material used.
Do some research on Dirty Bombs, they are crude devices and will not be affecting large parts of the citys, it will not be like Hiroshima!!

ALL your choices are wrong, the exact issue of dirty bombs has been discussed both on TV, by the media many time and by the government. The ONLY criteria the bomber needs is as much altitude as sensible and a WINDY DAY.

The munitions could be a home made explosive and a radiological material stolen from hospitals, colleges, labs, research facilities, metallurgy centres, industrial X ray specialists, the oil industry or smuggled in. All they have to do is detonate the device at a few dozen to a few hundred feet say from a tower block roof on a windy day and even a small device could easily contaminate an area in excess of over half a square mile. It does not have to be like Hiroshima it doesn't need to be it just needs to be radioactive enough to be a clear health risk. The TV program that discussed it a few years ago with some academics and security experts estimated even a single small device could cost over £30,000 just to decontaminate one hundred square yards. The terrorists could be many hundreds of meters away from the target area just UPWIND.

And imagine if there was 4 terrs like on 7/7 or 19 like on 911 all setting off home made cheap DIY dirty bombs from the tops of tower or office blocks, Mosque minarets, or dropped from a light aircraft. The Terrs are not daft if they can only produce small but horrendously expensive to clean up after dirty bombs they are not going to set off one.

Also studying the recent behaviour of Islamists and Irish terrorists they tend to like to hit vulnerable targets like schools, hospitals and shopping areas, So say they set off a few near schools in London, how many parents are going to take the change THEIR kids school, church etc is next.

FYI a terrorist willing to die for his cause all he has to do is get infected with something like Ebola niger, or ziare and spend the next week riding the buses, tube and eating in fast food resteraunts, to start an outbreak of terrifying proportions.

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RE: Devon and Cornwall will be inundated with refugees? Ifs, maybes, and conjecture - by NorthernRaider - 25 March 2014, 14:49

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