(1 December 2014, 18:04)bigpaul Wrote: (1 December 2014, 16:56)Devonian Wrote: But this is and always will be a huge unknown, none of us really know what will happen (if) and I do mean if such a wide scale event were to ever happen.
so none of us knows what will happen- so we dismiss the possibility out of hand? that's as bad as the sheeple saying "it'll never happen!"
Not at all, and we are discussing it aren't we
But a 90% die off is in many ways the easy option, if however only 5% die off, then we have a much much more difficult situation wouldn't you agree?
So perhaps we need to actually consider what will happen if there is no die off........????
Also I'm trying to base my arguments on historical evidence and so far there is none (that I am aware of) that supports the die off theory, and no that doesn't mean I'm not preparing for it, I just think it is far less likely..........
(1 December 2014, 18:08)bigpaul Wrote: (1 December 2014, 18:04)Devonian Wrote: Agreed about the sterile side of things, but there is also a lot of pasture land as well which has basically never been planted on, and so doesn't suffer in the same way, so we are still not totally doomed, just yet
a lot of pasture land is not fit for crops, its poor quality, that's why its pasture land. I know it is around here, the one thing its good for growing is grass and not much else.
Not necessarily.
Pasture land is often hilly land which is more difficult to safely use machinery on.
Also flood plains can be too boggy to use heavy farm machinery on, but the grounds are very fertile and rich.
(1 December 2014, 18:04)John Wrote: Well I thank you for many varied responses.
At least it has confirmed to me that the majority who appear to be preppers still have their eyes firmly closed on the long term. They treat it as a joke that it will all be over in short period and back to some semblance of normality. The biggest thing is that they don’t even want to discuss or debate it. They are so entrenched in their own view, especially some of our American friends who appear to think they are God’s gift to the world, that they don’t even consider other views. As Mortblanc kindly said, ‘Been a long time since I read that much BS in such a compact form.’
That comment just goes to show the arrogance of some of our American ‘friends’.
I was quite prepared to debate this seriously but the comments posted say I would only be hitting my head against a brick wall.
I no longer consider it worth my while staying on the site. I don’t even see the point in looking at it.
If you do wish to contact me and I doubt you will, but just in case. Let Big Paul have your email address and he will forward it to me.
Preppers generally cannot think into the longer term. As stated at the beginning of the post, we must use what we have, from what is initially left, use it wisely not for the now but to get us to a future without what we have now. Do not kid yourself if the collapse is really bad or maybe even half bad you are going to lose electricity and once you do for anything other than maybe a few days that will be it. Yes you may have your solar panels that may last a few years but eventually they are going to breakdown or wear out and no matter how many spare parts you stock they will soon be gone.
But many cannot see this and fail to plan for life without it. Not just maybe for themselves but for those that follow. The same applies for much of what we take for granted today. "Survivalists are preppers, preppers are not survivalists" and therein lies the problem.
I will be requesting SD to remove my details from this list as I see no point in continuing.
I take on board what Mortblanc says: When you hear that small inner voice speaking to you, consider the source and ignore it. I hear and I am ignoring it.
Best of Luck
Sorry John, but have "you considered" that possibly it is yourself that is not prepared to discuss these matters and that perhaps your views are entrenched?
Now I now from we met that you are very passionate about these matters but I do think that you do not necessarily give mankind enough credibility for his ingenuity and resourcefulness to overcome issues.
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