Dev wrote
"There is one piece of farm equipment that doesn't rely on petrol/oil and we potentially have 65 million of them that could be put to work..........
If you don't work, you don't get fed - shame it's not the same now!! ""
I could not agree more.
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Barney wrote
"yeah dev ,let the old and ill stave to death mate ,talking bollocks again dev"
Barney if you feel a great debt to your fellow men then by all means you take em in and feed em all, but dont expect the rest of us to carry the deadweight
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John, I think you are still trying to build a prepper community with you in charge as you muted some years ago, it wont work for multiple reasons then or now. You appear and intransigent as the others of strong opinions, try embracing and respecting them all its easier than fighting them. As for MB its just a simple case of mind over matter We dont mind and he doesnt matter
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Dev BP is right that much pasture and arable land would take many years of tilling, weeding, treating, draining, developing to become hald decent food production land, unless we use Barney and his mates as slaves
Overall I think if we did face a societal collapse and we had no oil or imported foods then YES a population reduction is most likely, but I am not certain DIE OFF is the correct way to describe it, a gradual down sizing or gradual contraction in the population would almost be inevitable as the country had to adapt its population and current economic climate to meet its remaining local resources. A gradual decline because of a reduced or quality of diet, and it would be compounded by a die off of those reliant on expensive exotic medications like Insulin if our economy collapses, plus a lack of modern pharmas and other stuff that costs money and is made from oil is likely to reduce life expectancy if not actually killing off people.
I don't think their will be time, will or funds for " charitable" intentions if something big happens.
Who knows all we can do is keep prepping with a GENERAL approach but with perhaps a bit of bias towards your own particular worst case scenario.
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