To FAC or not to?

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(25 August 2013, 10:13)NorthernRaider Wrote: So ( hypothetically) if the cops came a calling to secure your guns and start looking around and see water filters, piles of rations, stores or jerry cans, medical supplies, books, etc they may have been told to watch out for other bulk supplies they can conficate.

So going on hypotheticals:

1. There has been a SHTF event to the point the government fear societal collapse
2. The government then send the police to every FAC and SGC holder in the UK - that's near 150,000 people and 500,000 people respectively - that is holders of certificates, many have several items on their certificates.


Keep in mind, the police forces of the UK have around 155,000 officers. What percentage are trained in handling and using firearms? Less than 10% is my educated guess - say 15000. These 15000 are going to be budgeted for dealing with the situation that is causing TS to HTF. There is no slack in the system. Same with normal cops. Country wide, the police might muster at any given time a couple of thousand people to confiscate guns.

Say 2000 police - at the extreme most - could be spared. To visit 600,000 people. Add in the cops would be going around in pairs. Each pair will have to visit 600 licence holders. They are not going to be doing it on the 11pm-7am shift. They are unlikely to be doing it 7pm-11pm as what ever is kicking off will be kicking off. They will probably be unlikely to be going much of it for the first hour of the early, as they will be at briefing, sorting out everything for the shifts and comms for the day and so on.

They add in a couple of breaks and you might get 6 hours of confiscations a day. If lucky, they would be able to get out to one FAC / SGC holder an hour, get the guns then secure them back the station - if they can get them.

A thousand pairs doing this a day, say they get in the properties out of 4 of the six people they visit a day and they have enough staff to keep on doing this, law and order does not collapse, it is going to take 120 days or so to get around everyone.

Most FAC holders and SGC owners know many - I would guess at at least 10 others, in most cases more and are part of networks such as gun clubs that any confiscation could not be done in secret.

While the police will be keeping their eyes open, as they always do, they will have no time to go snooping. Every time I have been around when the FAC officer come around, I have asked them if they want to check the security - sure, they want to check the cabinet and the room it is in, they ask about key storage and how you keep them, but they always check the security of the house from the outside. They do not look in other rooms.

So keep your kit out of the room your gun safe is in. Keep it in your shed, behind your tools, or in the big plastic ketter box the kids bikes are in. Keep your canned goods in the pantry. If your house looks like a UN supply depot, you are doing it wrong.

I have a chest freezer full of vegetables and game and fish. It is because I grow veg and store excess, shoot game and fish. It looks normal. It is normal, but it is also being prepared.

Everthing that could have a secondary use as something it is not already has a primary use now, used as fertiliser, animal husbandry products, building products and so on now. It looks normal because it is normal.

As a final point, if the police are going around taking items from FAC and SGC holders, they are going to be looking at a lot of other people, locking up known subversives, removing people from areas 'for their own protection' and many other things.

Within a couple of days, the whole country would be in revolt and you would have bugged out with your FA the police did not have the man power to come and take.