Electricity needs when the grids down.

[Mortblanc]

Paul's rules:
#1. Even if you have the technology you are not allowed to use it. You must remain dark, cold and miserable.

#2. You are not allowed to use any device that might be useful for SHTF unless SHTF has happened, then you still can't use it.

The reason they called it the "Dark Ages" was because when the Romans left they took all the batteries!

Why should one insist on living in dark, depraved and dangerous conditions when simple technologies are available that can keep our homes lit and safe?

LED lighting, rechargeable power tools, solar panels and storage banks. I am using them now and I will continue to use them in daily life and in emergencies great and small.

The fact that simple technology might break years down the road is no reason to ignore its existence and trade your electric torch for one made of bark and pine sap. The 2000 recharge cycles Pete is speaking of is a recharge daily for 5 years.