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Korea Threat
6 September 2017, 00:19,
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Korea Threat
North Korea as of two weeks ago could not feed the lower enlisted ranks of its Army.
When the Generals paychecks bounce the country will fall and probably be handed over to the S. Koreans.

No payments have been made by then US to N. Korea since Trump took the White House. Presidential advisers are all that is keeping him from starting a trade war with China. The result would be a financial disaster for the world economy.

ChiComs want to bring the Americans to the table by instructing their puppet in DPRK to set off a few bombs and missiles to bluster, sabre rattle and get Trump to the table. For 40 years the US has been blackmailed into paying for the DPRK elites and military to stay in power, inadvertently of course or so past administrations would claim.

Trump had said enough is enough and the gravy train is over. Let the SOBs starve.

Speculation of back-channel chatter with China is that Trump would tolerate the ChiComs invading DPRK to force regime change, bring them under PRC's umbrella of security and protection. They would then have to give up their nukes and stop being a recalcitrant child.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-a...2017-09-04

Any military intervention, Chinese or otherwise, would carry huge risks. But before dwelling on them, consider what a successful Chinese intervention would achieve.

For starters, it would put North Korea right where the country’s post-Korean War history suggests it belongs: under a Chinese nuclear umbrella, benefiting from a credible security guarantee…

If, as is commonly assumed, North Korea wants some sort of credible security guarantee in exchange for curtailing its nuclear program, the only country capable of providing it is China. No American promise would remain credible beyond the term of the president who gave it, if even that long.

If China were to combine threats of invasion with a promise of security and nuclear protection, in exchange for cooperation and possible regime change, its chances of winning over large parts of the Korean People’s Army would be high. Whereas a nuclear exchange with the U.S. would mean devastation, submission to China would promise survival, and presumably a degree of continued autonomy. For all except those closest to Kim, the choice would not be a difficult one.

China’s strategic gains from a successful military intervention would include not only control of what happens on the Korean Peninsula, where it presumably would be able to establish military bases, but also regional gratitude for having prevented a catastrophic war. No other action holds as much potential to make Chinese leadership within Asia seem both credible, and desirable, especially if the alternative is a reckless, poorly planned U.S.-led war. What China needs, above all, is legitimacy, and intervention in North Korea would provide it. Successful use of hard power would bring China, to borrow the distinction coined by Harvard’s Joseph S. Nye, huge reserves of soft power…

What we can say with near certainty is that a Chinese land and sea invasion, rather than an American one, would stand a better chance of avoiding Kim’s likely response: an artillery attack on the South Korean capital, Seoul, which lies just a few dozen miles south of the demilitarized zone. Why would North Korea slaughter its southern brothers and sisters in retaliation for a Chinese invasion that came with a promise of continued security, if not autonomy?

Moreover, while the Kim regime’s nuclear restraint could hardly be taken for granted, China would be a less likely target than the U.S. for North Korean missiles. Were a Chinese military option to be contemplated seriously, some intelligence and missile-defense collaboration with the U.S. might be worth exploring. Given the risks, it would be hard for the U.S. to refuse.

This scenario may well never happen. But it is so logical that the possibility of it should be taken seriously. It is, after all, China’s best opportunity to achieve greater strategic parity with the U.S. in the region, while removing a source of instability that threatens them both.

This article was published with the permission of Project Syndicate.

73 de KE4SKY
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"Almost Heaven" West Virginia
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6 September 2017, 00:58,
#2
RE: Korea Threat
What do you plan on doing about it?
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6 September 2017, 15:23,
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RE: Korea Threat
Not much this Hillbilly can do. Two principle documents drive this

UN Security Council resolution 84 established US as lead nation, in execution of UNSCR 82 and 83.

Armistice agreement. Signed by US Commander as senior UNC representative, the nK commander, and Chinese People's Army Commander.

ROK is not an explicit party to armistice agreement, but China is.

Withdrawing from UNC changes the game completely. A necessary step in resolving the situation. It completely changes relative diplomatic power of the parties and redefines the realm of the possible...

A serious US campaign against DPRK would be costly, difficult and of uncertain outcome. That's the case with all war and not a good reason to avoid one.

There are lots of subtleties in this situation...some assertions that really require long explanation, then a course of action.

- half of ROK hates the US. Xenophobic response to 5000 years of foreign occupation and some jealousy.
- half of ROK loves China and half hates China. Economics and xenophobia for past occupation
-Japan and ROK have a quasi-alliance, battered wife syndrome. Same 5000 years of Japan and China fighting in Korea.
- China likes the situation exactly as is. They win no matter how it goes. China and India have troubles over resources and their respective Mohammadan minorities.
- Russia and China are not friends. They cooperate only to frustrate the US.
- Half of America hates America. The other half is old but no longer willing to sacrifice.
- American ground forces are no longer not up to the task of serious ground war in complex terrain. Doctrine, material, and organization are all unsuited. Leadership skill in operational art is highly questionable above battalion level.
- Nuclear exchange is "unthinkable" for most Americans. Very problematic for the younger half that doesn't remember the Cold War and duck & cover. Changing this perception should be job 1 for political leaders in the coming highly proliferated world.

A way ahead that considers facts on the ground, so to speak.

1. US withdraws from United Nations Command for Korea. Declare that the 70 year armistice ends UN mandate.
2. US and ROK deploy nuclear deterrent on peninsula in response to DPRK abandonment of the Sunshine Non Proliferation agreement between the Koreans. This is aimed at DPRK.
3. US and Japan deploy nuclear deterrent in region. This is aimed at China, not DPRK.
4. US withdraws all non essential personnel from ROK and Japan. This tells everyone we're serious.
5. The usual naval deployments.
6. Civil defense drills on US west coast. Demonstrates resolve to DSPR. Also smokes out the US communists for what they are.

All these set conditions for either defensive war.
The time for preventive or pre-emptive action have passed. DPRK now has the initiative.

Sanctions won't work. Too much money flows subversively from ROK and China to DPRK.

Our nation has done this before with USSR. Mutually Assured Destruction works.
DPRK won't abandon nukes because they saw the Libya example. We have few viable options. MAD, and a willingness to engage in real interstate war among nuclear powers is the most likely to succeed.

None of this is good news for a Libertarian small government guy. It is however realistic and our best chance at national survival.

That's the hand we've dealt ourselves in decades of appeasement.

First principles and facts can be a harsh mistress for the political crowd

Untangling the Gordian knot... probably with the sword of Damocles...

These discussions are always better on the front porch with the beverage of choice

73 de KE4SKY
In
"Almost Heaven" West Virginia
USA
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6 September 2017, 18:12,
#4
RE: Korea Threat
When I am sitting on the front porch with a beverage of choice I am not usually discussing UN resolutions and the antics of some madman in NK.

That is especially true when all the babble comes down to two actual real life choices.

China will stop Kim before he does some fool thing.

We will stop Kim after he does some fool thing.

Not one damn thing a discussion on the front porch can do about either one of the choices except give us indigestion all night.

No matter how good your preps are you are not ready for WW3 or its results.
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6 September 2017, 21:19,
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RE: Korea Threat
Not one damn thing a discussion on the front porch can do about either one of the choices except give us indigestion all night.

No matter how good your preps are you are not ready for WW3 or its results.

Yep MB can not fault You !
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