Are the sheeple starting to wake up?

[00111001]

(4 September 2012, 14:42)NorthernRaider Wrote: ...it looks like many of you would not be able to turn starving displaced sheeple away when TSHTF ( which is now BTW) My caches , stockpiles etc are solely for the use of preppers and their families, no outsiders, no sheeple, etc.

No handouts here chap. What's mine is mine. Whats your is yours.

I don't like the term, but I'll use it: hungry "outsiders" - tough shit. It's not like you couldn't see this coming - should have done your homework.

(4 September 2012, 14:42)NorthernRaider Wrote: Lesson two I suspect some of you could be preppers hoping you can find someone elses supplies and resources you can call upon.

If it's an amicable agreement then I don't see anything wrong with that. Free-loading is not acceptable though.


On another vein though, if I was forced to claim benefits (or even able to claim) I'd be on it like a shot. I don't really agree with it, but if every other fucker is on it then why shouldn't I reclaim some of my tax money and put it towards my preps?

[Barneyboy]

when the shtf the stores will be for me and mine but now they can be replaced by more im not saying its going to be easy to turn them away butby then the rules have changed

[NorthernRaider]

Hey I've a great idea, those of you who support the benefits and welfare system we have in the UK todays please send me half your money, half your supplies, one of your vehicles, half your medical kit, half your chooks and bunnies, etc because i have arbitrarily decided my socialist need is greater than yours because I am poor, infirm and old. You cannot possibly disagree if you believe in the welfare state.
Oh and if you have any savings or profit in your house that means your richer than me which means i'm supposed to hate you and resent you ( but I cant cos I'm nice) so give me half of your savings cos I'm poorer than you as well, Its only fair according to socialist doctrine that you wealthier types share what you have and I will redistribute your wealth to less fortunate people.

No ?

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(4 September 2012, 15:04)Barneyboy Wrote: when the shtf the stores will be for me and mine but now they can be replaced by more im not saying its going to be easy to turn them away butby then the rules have changed

But what about those poor sheeple who apparently now number in excess of 150,000 in the UK who are reliant on charity food banks are you not going to help them now ?

http://gfn.convio.net/site/PageServer?pa...fAod-n0AAA

Here we go all these places have starving families, surely its only fair we help them ? Barney TSHTF in 2008 its That time NOW my dear respected friend.

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[bigpaul]

(4 September 2012, 14:34)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:20)bigpaul Wrote: before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

[NorthernRaider]

(4 September 2012, 14:56)00111001 Wrote: If it's an amicable agreement then I don't see anything wrong with that. Free-loading is not acceptable though.

AT LAST, I wondered who would get the point first, Jeezus H Christ

If you WISH to subscribe VOLUNTARILY to a welfare or cooperative or mutual support scheme that is truly great, But you should not be FORCED to contribute to a system that only ever demands more and more from you.

[00111001]

(4 September 2012, 15:20)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:56)00111001 Wrote: If it's an amicable agreement then I don't see anything wrong with that. Free-loading is not acceptable though.

AT LAST, I wondered who would get the point first, Jeezus H Christ

If you WISH to subscribe VOLUNTARILY to a welfare or cooperative or mutual support scheme that is truly great, But you should not be FORCED to contribute to a system that only ever demands more and more from you.

I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

[Barneyboy]

(4 September 2012, 15:13)NorthernRaider Wrote: Hey I've a great idea, those of you who support the benefits and welfare system we have in the UK todays please send me half your money, half your supplies, one of your vehicles, half your medical kit, half your chooks and bunnies, etc because i have arbitrarily decided my socialist need is greater than yours because I am poor, infirm and old. You cannot possibly disagree if you believe in the welfare state.
Oh and if you have any savings or profit in your house that means your richer than me which means i'm supposed to hate you and resent you ( but I cant cos I'm nice) so give me half of your savings cos I'm poorer than you as well, Its only fair according to socialist doctrine that you wealthier types share what you have and I will redistribute your wealth to less fortunate people.

No ?

---

(4 September 2012, 15:04)Barneyboy Wrote: when the shtf the stores will be for me and mine but now they can be replaced by more im not saying its going to be easy to turn them away butby then the rules have changed

But what about those poor sheeple who apparently now number in excess of 150,000 in the UK who are reliant on charity food banks are you not going to help them now ?

http://gfn.convio.net/site/PageServer?pa...fAod-n0AAA

Here we go all these places have starving families, surely its only fair we help them ? Barney TSHTF in 2008 its That time NOW my dear respected friend.

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Community Food Initiatives North East
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Aberdeen AB11 5RW
Tel: 01224 596156
Contact: Fiona Rae or Dave Simmers
Email: fsaberdeen@fareshare.org.uk


FareShare Birmingham
Unit 7 Metro Triangle
Mount Street
Nechells
Birmingham B7 5QT
Tel: 0121 328 6640
Contact: Pam Tank
Email: fsbirmingham@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare Brighton
Partner Organisation: City Gate Community Projects
Unit 3-4 Fairway Business Centre
Westergate Road
Brighton BN2 4JZ
Tel: 01273 671111
Contact: Nathan Au or Seb Handelman
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Donate: http://www.justgiving.com/faresharebrighton-hove

FareShare Cymru (Cardiff)
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Unit S5, Capital Business Park
Wentloog Avenue
Cardiff CF3 2PU
Tel: 029 2036 2111
Contact: Gerry Molan or Sarah Germain
Email: fscymru@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare Dundee
Partner Organisation: Dundee Cyrenians
Unit 1, Block 22
Kilspindie Road
Dunsinane Industrial Estate
Dundee DD2 3JP
Tel: 01382 828553
Contact: Alison Sellars or Gordon Duguid
Email: fsdundee@fareshare.org.uk

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Partner Organisation: Edinburgh Cyrenians
84 – 86 Jane Street
Edinburgh EH6 5HG
Tel: 0131 554 3900
Contact: Christopher Sommerville or Carol-Anne Alcorn
Email: fsedinburgh@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare Glasgow
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80 Coxhill
Springburn
Glasgow G21 1HL
Tel: 07855 756893
Contact: Jim Burns
Email: jim@moveon.org.uk

FareShare Hull
Partner organisation: Goodwin Development Trust
Units 6 & 7 Food Innovation and Technology Centre
Malmo Park, Malmo Road
Hull HU7 0YF
Tel: 01482 822641 / 07791 280828
Contact: Michael Howe
Email: mhowe@goodwin-centre.org

FareShare Island of Ireland
Partner organisation: CHNI
Website: http://www.fareshare-ioi.eu/
FareShare IOI Belfast
Unit 117a Weavers Court Industrial Estate
Linfield Road
Belfast BT12 5GH
Tel: 028 90332230
Contact: Simon Geddies
Email:fsbelfast@fareshare.org.uk

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Diocese of Leicester
Church House, St Martin’s East
Leicester LE1 5FX
Tel: 07878 645219 / 07867 527 063 (John) / 07863 763 647 (Simone)
Contact: John Willetts or Simone Connolly
Email: fsleicester@fareshare.org.uk

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Unit H04 Tower Bridge Business Complex
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London SE16 4DG
Tel: 020 7394 2463 / 2473
Contact: Jeredine Thomas
Email: fslondon@fareshare.org.uk
volunteering enquiries: rebecca.scott@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare London Park Royal
Unit 15 Premier Park
Park Royal
London
NW10 7NZ
Tel: 020 8963 0867
Contact: Daniel Bettega
Email: fsparkroyal@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare Merseyside (Liverpool)
Unit 9 Phoenix Park
Goodlass Road
Speke, Liverpool L24 9HJ
Tel: 0151 486 1139
Contact: Charlene Spencer or Tommy Myers
Email: fsmerseyside@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare North East (Newcastle)
Partner Organisation: The Cyrenians
Unit 5 Greenfinch Way
Gateway West, Newburn Riverside
Newcastle upon Tyne NE15 8NX
Tel: 0191 2781895 / 07891 537 639
Contact: Michael Shields or Stan Lloyd
Email: fsnortheast@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare North Wales (Llandudno)
Partner Organisation Crest Co-operative
Brierley House
Ferry Farm Road
Llandudno Junction
LL31 9SF
Tel 01492 596783
Contact Jean Edwards or Jeff Warren
Email fsnorthwales@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare North West (Manchester)
Partner Organisation: Emerge Recycling
Units E5-6 New Smithfield Market
Whitworth Street East, Openshaw
Manchester M11 2WJ
Tel: 0161 223 8200 / 07917 237 537
Contact: Sebastien Serayet
Email: fsnorthwest@fareshare.org.uk

FareShare South West (Bristol)
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4 Little Anne Street
St Judes
Bristol BS2 9EB
Tel: 0117 941 4401 (Pete) / 0117 954 2220 (Jacqui)
Contact: Pete Wright or Jacqui Reeves
Email: fssouthwest@fareshare.org.uk
Website: http://www.faresharesouthwest.org.uk/

FareShare South Yorkshire (Barnsley)
Partner Organisation: Restore (SY) Ltd
Unit 19, Grange Lane Industrial Estate
Carrwood Road
Stairfoot, Barnsley
South Yorkshire S71 5AS
Tel: 01226 213255
Contact: Adam Bramley or John Rick
Email: fssouthyorkshire@fareshare.org.uk

as i said before when the shtf the rules have changed by then

[NorthernRaider]

(4 September 2012, 15:19)bigpaul Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:34)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:20)bigpaul Wrote: before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

BP I can always rely on you for clear concise wisdom, the system is falling apart now, your kids owe the govt £14,000 the minute they are born, There are millions of Greek, Portugees, Spanish and other EU dependant socialists all wanting YOU to pay for their upkeep.
Here in the Uk theres 3 million on the dole another 2.5 million out of work not on the system theres millions of people all with their hands out and the cupboard is bare.

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(4 September 2012, 15:22)00111001 Wrote: I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

No body minds paying modest taxes for essential services, but essential service are not paying the unemployed or elderly or disabled, that is their FAMILIEs responsibility , we owe them a good basic state pension and zero council tax nothing more.

Look the welfare state has been in place since 1948 there is no one who has not had the change to pay NI or Tax into the system and save privately as well. Those whinging about poverty etc have pissed away most of their free money down the Labour and Workies clubs for their entire working lives, and whilst they demand and recieve free retirement bunglows and OAP homes the silly bastards who worked hard all their lives, saved and bought their own homes are told they have to sell their homes to pay for care. That is wrong and immoral.

[bigpaul]

i think the whole bloody thing will go t#ts up anyway when the EU collapses, that will be the beginning of the end. role on the revolution!

[Barneyboy]

(4 September 2012, 15:24)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 15:19)bigpaul Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:34)NorthernRaider Wrote:

(4 September 2012, 14:20)bigpaul Wrote: before the welfare act(1948) when people were unemployed they had NO income and they STARVED, do we really want to abolish benefit and go back to living like that??? we will NEVER EVER have 100% employment so some people are always going to be unemployed. it dosent matter what job or career someone has, we never know what the future will bring, unemployment, sickness, disability it could and often does happen. I could be knocked down by a car tomorrow and be crippled for life.

Unemployment is only ever going to increase massively as immigration especially of the lower skilled continues, the population rises, technology and automation increases, as it is we already have a situation in the Uk where some 22 million workers are having to keep the other 43 million people. And as each year goes by the numbers of tax paying workers declines and the numbers of claimants rises. Today the average worker sees his pay taxed at 40%, his NI bill is 14 %, anything he buys has 20% VAT on it. In 20 years time just to maintain todays levels of public spending on welfare , pensions etc income tax will need to be 60% , VAT 30% who can afford that? Who is looking forward to the £15 a gallong for petrol with 80% of that being tax?

Paul look at the news TAX Payers are now joining the quesues at foodbanks, The system is broke and sooner or later its all going to collapse as the govt runs out of money.

yes, so why bother talking about govt and taxes? we all know its going to collapse and soon, thats why we are all preppers isnt it??

BP I can always rely on you for clear concise wisdom, the system is falling apart now, your kids owe the govt £14,000 the minute they are born, There are millions of Greek, Portugees, Spanish and other EU dependant socialists all wanting YOU to pay for their upkeep.
Here in the Uk theres 3 million on the dole another 2.5 million out of work not on the system theres millions of people all with their hands out and the cupboard is bare.

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(4 September 2012, 15:22)00111001 Wrote: I agree whole heartedly with you.

That's why I lie on my tax returns

I wouldn't mind paying tax if they didn't waste it.

No body minds paying modest taxes for essential services, but essential service are not paying the unemployed or elderly or disabled, that is their FAMILIEs responsibility , we owe them a good basic state pension and zero council tax nothing more.

Look the welfare state has been in place since 1948 there is no one who has not had the change to pay NI or Tax into the system and save privately as well. Those whinging about poverty etc have pissed away most of their free money down the Labour and Workies clubs for their entire working lives, and whilst they demand and recieve free retirement bunglows and OAP homes the silly bastards who worked hard all their lives, saved and bought their own homes are told they have to sell their homes to pay for care. That is wrong and immoral.

so wot do we do with the old and ill if they have no one